Gay Rights?

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Yes and i respect that... But than why can a traditionaly mexican family, who has lost their father, be raised by his mother and his grandmother... and not be gay?

Hes feminine, and my have a differnet speaking tone... but hes not gay?

Why is that?

[Vincent]

Hey If a Guy wants to sleep with another guy , then thats there decision

But of Course People are Going to think its wrong!

its Natural For people To "Think" That it is weird and wrong its Not just because of the bible.

[† Nutz]

If we were to stick to traditions, we would still be living in caves or would never have got out of the middles ages... Tradition is something important, yes, but you have to know when to throw it away. I'm not telling you to throw your traditions away, no. I'm just saying we have to be selective and decide what traditions really are important...

[VincentsLucrecia]

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Its traditional

Aha, I can use a quote that my Global teacher gave us, which is so true.

"Reason, not tradition." <- That's based upon the times during the Enlightenment back in Western Europe during the 18th century.

Basically, reason being that two people of the same sex can love each other. That's their reason to get married. It's all based on love, not gender. Tradition would be to lie to themselves, and get married to someone of the opposite sex. Reason is the way to go now, not with traditional values.

[Necrophiliac]

If we were to stick to traditions, we would still be living in caves or would never have got out of the middles ages... Tradition is something important, yes, but you have to know when to throw it away. I'm not telling you to throw your traditions away, no. I'm just saying we have to be selective and decide what traditions really are important...

Or keep old traditions, and accustom new ones with the old ones. I don't think traditions should be thrown away, but rather built on while still keeping the old way of the tradition at the same time.

[Jammer]

Why are we quoting the bible? What does that even prove? Just because the bible says something doesn't make it law. I mean, if Christians could somehow prove that the bible is the word of god, then maybe whatever it has to say would be relevant to this debate.

And why are we even talking about if homosexuality is natural or not? Who cares? And even if homosexuality was a choice (which it most certainly isn’t), does that somehow make it wrong? No. How could it?

Can someone tell me how homosexuality could ever be immoral? How is the act of sex between members of the same sex immoral?

Can someone tell me why we shouldn’t allow two members of the same sex to marry? Anyone?

[Pandemonia]

Buy-Bull. Lol, makes sense. No offence.

I feel that gays have a right to marry eachother, just as straight people have to marry eachother. There is no difference, except that there is no baby making. What's the problem with two gay people getting married? I find nothing wrong. Really, I don't. And as for the bible, forget about that stupid pile of old dirty paper. I don't get why people even read it, but that's a whole different subject I'm not getting into right now.

I could care less, but if I ever felt like it, I'd support gay marriage.

[† Emotional Outlet]

Whee, another topic that generally spans thousands of pages on every forum.

Being a raging homosexual myself, I wholly support gay marriage.

Okay, not a raging homosexual, but that doesn't change my support for it. I'm no different than most people, and generally the things people find strange about me have little to nothing to do about my sexuality. Love is love, maaaaan.

Bill and Dave getting married in Maine isn't going to affect you in Wyoming. Jane and Jill being devoted to each other romantically isn't going to kill you. Non-heterosexual-but-still-sexual-people are not having sex on your lawn--no more than heterosexual people are in any case, and I've yet to see any people getting down on my lawn. (Two guys, two girls, a guy and a girl--I don't care--sex on my lawn is indecent, plain and simple. )

It's gross? I'm sorry. I think macaroni and cheese is gross. I think some bodily modifications are gross. I think my cat cleaning her butt is gross. It's just something you have to deal with--and in most cases, "gross" things don't particularly affect you directly. It just triggers your knee-jerk reaction and you stick your nose up in contempt of it. I don't try to ban macaroni and cheese. I don't tell people to stop doing whatever to their bodies because it makes me feel funny. I either not look or just learn to deal with it. I don't eat macaroni and cheese, I don't stare at people with weird modifications, and I don't look at my cat when she's cleaning her butt.

I dunno. I can hardly take this topic seriously anymore--it just seems so simple to me and I've read a lot of debate on this but I've never seen a reason to be taken very seriously--not any more seriously than my dislike of macaroni and cheese, at least.

[Rawkstar]

I'm gay so yeah, of course I support gay marriage and I think gay people should have the right just as straight people have the right to marry... We're people just like you, we can strave, walk, think just as you do, we're no different from straight people or anyone. It pains me how people see as us digusting beings, It hurts a lot and especially the stero-types which I can't f***en stand. I hate how people see us gross, like ewww two guys/girls getting married, that's so gross and not normal. It f***en hurts me! It's just as being racist!

A few years ago, I wasn't proud I was gay but now I'm darn proud of who I am...

[† Emotional Outlet]

It's more amusing than anything when you consider that some guys who are grossed out by gay guys love the thought of two women together. I'm sure it's all about the stereo-vision of women, but knowing that, you can't really take their knee-jerk reaction to gay guys seriously because you know they aren't really thinking about it, just reacting to it.

"It's gross" and "I don't want to get hit on by guys" are, by far, the worst excuses I've ever heard against gay marriage.

[Koby]

I'm not gay but I have bit hit on by some gay guys. I'd rather not be hit on, but I don't really think it's gross. I'm alright with having gay friends, though I'd never swing that way. I like the thought of two gay women, but whats gay women got to do with anything if they are completely gay then they wouldn't care about you anyways so why does gay women turn some guys on? O.o I mean its the Bi-sexual's that should because they would swing both ways.

[† Emotional Outlet]

Doesn't the government say that the stuff we marry has to be human???

I think they have to be able to sign and stuff.

Gays/bisexuals/asexuals/pansexuals are just as capable of devoting themselves to a partner as heterosexuals. The ability to devote is not restricted to a certain sexuality--that's some kind of ego a person would have to have if they think that only their sexuality is capable of being devoted to each other.

A note to the staff: If you're going to get rid of posts, why not just delete it? I don't see the Farplane as an archive of separated posts, but of entire threads. Just a note.

In response to the post that was shipped to the Farplane, do you have any actual proof that divorces are in any way related to marriages, other than the fact that you have to get married before divorcing? Divorces aren't caused by another couple getting married (unless it's your wife/husband getting marriaged to someone else )--they're caused by infidelity, by growing apart, by sobering up (in the case of those quickie marriages in Vegas).

I sincerely doubt that allowing same-sex marriages has anything to do with the fact that some people will cheat or grow apart in time. Yes, some same-sex marriages may result in divorce, but so do some heterosexual marriages. If you're concerned about divorce, why not advocate making it illegal, or ban heterosexual marriage? No marriage whatsoever = no divorce whatsoever.

I really doubt that divorce rates are a major concern for some people.

Edit: HAHA. Marriaged. I'm not changing that.

[Glock]

oh i deleted my post, and thought it would get deleted not moved. i thought i saw a post by someone about gay marrages and divorces, so i posted, but i didn't find the post again (or i'm too tired and imagined it) so i just got rid of mine. anyway...

i don't care if someone gets divorced, if it weren't for one i wouldn't be here. also if people (gay or strait) didn't get married people wouldn't get divorced. now i think we all know that not every marriage ends in a divorce, but you're raising the chances of divorces when more people get married.

[† Emotional Outlet]

Shoot, Internet crapped out on me.

Take two.

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Ohh, 'kay. I just thought it was weird to see random posts in the Farplane. Well, all the more reason to do, like, monthly purges on the Farplane.

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As far as I know, all legal adults in America (18+) are eligible for marriage. To cull down the BS marriages, you'd have to bump the standards for marriage up, meaning that only in such-and-such a circumstance are you allowed to marry. That, of course, goes against what most people think--and the fact that most of us would rather have the right to marry whom we love, not whom the government tells us we can marry.

Sure, allowing same sex marriages to occur may raise the rate of divorce over time, but I think divorce rate isn't worth extra attention just because marriage carries with it risk of divorce. People who are involved with the same sex are capable of love and devotion, but they are also capable of deceit and growing apart. I don't think it's fair to disallow same sex marriages just because homosexuals are human too--in that they too are capable of making mistakes, of hurting one another and growing apart.

I don't think it's so much the government as it is people freaking out because of religion and/or fear of the snowball effect--that if you let the gays marry, they'll marry box turtles and little children!

It's the end of morality as we know it if we let the gays win.

Some people are also afraid of polyamorous/multiple partner marriages if same sex marriage is legalised, if only because it would be so difficult for the government and the general public to deal with, so they'd rather just sweep that under the rug. Too bad they can't do that for chemistry and APUSH.

[//Cloud//Strife//]

Isn't it technically impossible to be born with it?

To be born with it you would have to inherit this "gay gene" from one of your parents. I personally think it's nurture more than nature that causes homosexuality.

On another note, a lot of Greeks were bisexual- it's been written about. So maybe it's just that society has changed (well it has, obviously) and certain things become a taboo and are looked upon as unnatural.

Personally I tolerate gay marriage purely because if two people, same sex or not, love each other then shouldn't they have to right to get married? What I don't tolerate is when gay parents adopt. The kid is almost certain to get bullied or whatever at school- it's just not right.

[Necrophiliac]

quoting the biblke in this argument and sayign that is why you are against it is supporting the uniting of church and state...

which is no doubt against the law...

i wrote a report on it for my english class [i have cited resources just ignore those ill get the cited resources page late]

It's alright for someone to have an opinion. They are using their belief to support why they don't agree with it, it could also be that the Bible offers them leverage in not supporting gay marriage. It's not against the law either between individual people, but rather the Church not having influence over the state/country.

Damn I hate people.

Let the gays win and start a new world order!!!

The irony... :

[Clare]

This past week, a group from the Westboro Baptist Church has been protesting around my city against gay rights. After watching them put up horrible signs and chant rude remarks against the gay population, a group of friends and I thought it would be a good idea to gather a large amount of people from our high school, and protest against them. We managed to gather a lot of students, and we soon got the police to escort the protesters away. The local newspaper wrote an article about it here: http://www.parkrecord.com/ci_17196275

And, they also posted a video from the protest here:

(I'm the blonde at the very beginning...)

In contrast to this, what are your thoughts about gay rights? Are you for or against them? Why or why not? Also, I'm aware there was a thread like this that Koby made, though it's 4+ years old, and I thought it would be necessary to make another one...

[Vael]

I'm all for gay rights, for the government their is no need to limit what gays can do (marriage) , the only reason we have laws against it is because it's a "sin" (english based counties have laws BASED on the bible), it's illogical to limit something that doesn't really affect people other than letting homosexuals be happier, the government is restricting the freedom of it's people just because of an outdated system, the government should move away from the biblical base and start thinking about what the people wan't. For the closed minded people out there who say it's not "natural" why don't you turn off or even destroy your computer and plant a tree or somethin because if you haven't noticed thats not natural either, sell your car that's actually killing nature, ever think about that?

why don't you think about those thing before you attack something that has no affect on nature, you or religion

(a message to the protesters)

What should be the Christian's Response to the Homosexual?

Just because someone is a homosexual does not mean that we cannot love him (or her) or pray for him (her). Homosexuality is a sin and like any other sin, it needs to be dealt with in the only way possible. It needs to be laid at the cross, repented of, and never done again.

As a Christian, you should pray for the salvation of the homosexual the same as you would for any other person in sin. The homosexual is still made in the image of God -- even though he is in grave sin. Therefore, you should show him the same dignity as anyone else with whom you come in contact. However, this does not mean that you are to approve of their sin. Don't compromise your witness for a socially-acceptable opinion that is void of godliness.

found at http://carm.org/homosexuality

this is what you should be doing, though they are "sinners" they are still "gods creation"

[Hōtarō]

I'm all for gay rights. I think it's pathetic that it's taken so long for people to stop being so angered and disgusted by it, so much that they outlaw gays being married, and in some stores, refuse to serve just because the customer is gay. I understand completely disagreeing with gay. No, it's not the norm, but neither are microwaves, and you rarely (and I mean rarely) see anyone with a problem against microwaves. People need to stop being so close minded about these things.

[s0teric]

I, personally, am a christian and as a result see homosexuality as a sin. However, it is just a sin. Like lying, lust, what have you. It is a very difficult sin. I am caught in an area of indecisiveness on this issue since I can't condone sin. However, it's not like I hate them. They're people just like you and me and the people that hold those signs up that say God hates fags are heretical. They completely misrepresent Christians. If I were making the law I'd probably say no simply because of my religious persuasion, but not out of hate for them. For the hate of the sin. It's not like they're gonna stop doing it I'm not that naive. It's just think that it shouldn't be allowed by the state in a legal sense. It all boils down to your religious persuasion and whether you have an ultimate standard to compare your actions to.