theNexus Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 (edited) Over and Over Tanis only quotes from the old testament. The old Law before Jesus gave his life for our Sin. You prove you don't know shit about the bible. I'm guessing you are accessing some bible hate site thatsome hater has created to try push his addenda.You never use the bible in it's entirety. Tell me to read my bible. I give it to you in the entirety but you keepspewing a sentence from the old testament. Pinkie Pie: you are another who has no idea what the bible says. I'm guessing your just regurgitating things you have heard and not fully heard or understood too. Think of God as a parent. They love unconditionally but they judge your actions and punish accordingly.Oh not today this world lets kids do whatever they well please and wonder why kids are telling thierparents to go to hell and why there is no respect for anything. This world seems to be more if it feels good do it.. So go drink, take drugs, screw yourselves to death.Drink and drive kill and destroy life and it don't matter because the wold has to cater to all wrong doingand accept it. Edited August 24, 2014 by theNexus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
† LimitLess Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 (edited) Yes, i've noticed that some like to quote from the Hebrew scriptures. You guys should focus on the scriptures during and after Jesus. The hebrew texts are more about historical facts, what happened in the old days, and the lessons we can apply from people like Moses, David etc. Edited August 24, 2014 by LimitLess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanis Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 As I have shown previously, JESUS says the 'old laws' COUNT.So, how do you deal with that? Show me a line from the N.T. that says homosexuality is a sin.Show me a line from the N.T. that bans any kind of abortion. Just because you 'feel' something, doesn't mean it's true or right.Just because something makes you feel 'icky', doesn't mean you have the right to impose RELIGIOUS LAW in a SECULAR nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theNexus Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 You think because it was wrong in the old it's ok in the new? Jesus for filled the old law by becoming a sacrifice for now and all time.His blood was shed for all mankind for forgiveness of their sins.You keep going on about old law, but Jesus said "Let him who is without sin, cast the first stone"so you think he is saying take adulterers out to the street and stone them?He says every human being is sinful and there for cannot judge another. It does not mean wedon't know what is wrong or accept it.The new testament tells us that there will come a day when the Lord God will Judge every personfrom beginning of creation till the ends of it.Jesus Tells us to love our neighbors, but to hate their sins. Don't say show me the verse. I'm not going to keep pulling out scripture. I'm using my worldsfrom an overview of the world that you do not even know. Like I have said. Take Christianity out of the equation then. As a person who loves science, althoughI know a lot of the main stream theories are complete garbage. Science will say when a sperm fertilizesand egg new life begins. Watch any documentary on conception.From that moment on the developing life has a story to live. Their story.Woman the first to sin no less, decided they and their life is more important than the life inside them anddecided to fight for their right because it's their body. Then to make it acceptable they said you can havean abortion at 36 weeks I think it is.You know they are aborting fully developed babies? you look at the cycle of a fetus. They are destoryinglittle being that have heads, arms, legs and their sexual organs. They are torn apart in the womb and trowninto the trash like a piece of trash. Another instance where the world change to accept what is wrong with it. they should have a camera up there and make the woman watch as that child is torn to pieces andmake her watch as they throw it in the trash. But then they would see it was a baby and they don'twant to see that because they would see they are cold blooded murderers. I actually did watch a documentary once on an abortion it looks like a small baby being torn to piecesand removed bit by bit. Tear off and arm take it out, tear off a leg. They used to kill people in a similarfashion in Roman times. They would tie a rope to the each limb the arms and legs. Tie the other endto a horse and carriage and ride in 4 directions and rips a person to pieces.Do we not call that murder? But it is done to a baby in the mothers womb. That is how they abort them. Imagine the pain the child feels and they cannot scream, they cannotplead for their life. They just get ripped to pieces and the one person in the world who was supposedto protect them was their executioner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsukumo Yuma Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 When people have an abortion, they are suposed to have one before the baby has any organs or limbs, and they just look like a blob.If the baby already has limbs or organs, that means the person waited too long before getting an abortion, and doing an abortion after waiting that long is dangerous for the mother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsukumo Yuma Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 (edited) When people have an abortion, they are suposed to have one before the baby has any organs or limbs, and they just look like a blob.If the baby already has limbs or organs, that means the person waited too long before getting an abortion, and doing an abortion after waiting that long is dangerous for the mother.You know there are cases when people get pregnate, but if they try to have the baby there are like 90% chances that them and the baby will die.Also for like people that are teens or kids, if they have a baby, somes parents will kick them out of the house, and they will end up homeless on the street, so in turn they have an abortion ether because there parents made them, or because if they didn't they would end up starving on the street. Edited August 25, 2014 by Emotional Outlet Removing quote of hidden post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsukumo Yuma Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 (edited) So, they should have a baby, and both die durring labor?And it is the mothers fault, that there parents are forcing them to do something they don't want to, or else they bassicly are disowned and left to die with there kid on the street, because there parents don't aprove of what they did? Edited August 24, 2014 by Tsukumo Yuma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanis Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 You think because it was wrong in the old it's ok in the new?Jesus for filled the old law by becoming a sacrifice for now and all time.His blood was shed for all mankind for forgiveness of their sins.You keep going on about old law, but Jesus said "Let him who is without sin, cast the first stone"so you think he is saying take adulterers out to the street and stone them?He says every human being is sinful and there for cannot judge another. It does not mean wedon't know what is wrong or accept it.The new testament tells us that there will come a day when the Lord God will Judge every personfrom beginning of creation till the ends of it.Jesus Tells us to love our neighbors, but to hate their sins. Don't say show me the verse. I'm not going to keep pulling out scripture. I'm using my worldsfrom an overview of the world that you do not even know. Like I have said. Take Christianity out of the equation then. As a person who loves science, althoughI know a lot of the main stream theories are complete garbage. Science will say when a sperm fertilizesand egg new life begins. Watch any documentary on conception.From that moment on the developing life has a story to live. Their story.Woman the first to sin no less, decided they and their life is more important than the life inside them anddecided to fight for their right because it's their body. Then to make it acceptable they said you can havean abortion at 36 weeks I think it is.You know they are aborting fully developed babies? you look at the cycle of a fetus. They are destoryinglittle being that have heads, arms, legs and their sexual organs. They are torn apart in the womb and trowninto the trash like a piece of trash. Another instance where the world change to accept what is wrong with it. they should have a camera up there and make the woman watch as that child is torn to pieces andmake her watch as they throw it in the trash. But then they would see it was a baby and they don'twant to see that because they would see they are cold blooded murderers. I actually did watch a documentary once on an abortion it looks like a small baby being torn to piecesand removed bit by bit. Tear off and arm take it out, tear off a leg. They used to kill people in a similarfashion in Roman times. They would tie a rope to the each limb the arms and legs. Tie the other endto a horse and carriage and ride in 4 directions and rips a person to pieces.Do we not call that murder? But it is done to a baby in the mothers womb. That is how they abort them. Imagine the pain the child feels and they cannot scream, they cannotplead for their life. They just get ripped to pieces and the one person in the world who was supposedto protect them was their executioner. How was it 'wrong' in the old?After all, god is suppose to be perfect.Who are YOU to judge his action, no matter what, as a Christian? That was kind of my point, a point you've repeatedly missed, that the bible is FILLED with contradictions.It's like a poorly written movie where Superman says can be killed by magic, until he suddenly can't, and then he gets hurt by a paper clip...and nobody explains why this inconstant thing is happening.O, and any fanboy/nerd will rage against you for bring up this GLARING plot-hole/contradiction. There's another problem with the bible.The first act of 'sin', was seeking knowledge.Man, ain't that a bitch? I mean, seriously! Plus, if god is all knowing and all seeing and knows what has and what will be...Isn't KNOWING what will happen, but doing nothing, and then getting PISSED about something you could have stopped...Kind of, I don't know, CHILDISH? You really have no STEM education, do you?Please, stop reading blogs and take the foil off your head. You lack of understanding when it comes to basic biology is, it's just sad.A cum stain isn't a life. A fetus doesn't feel pain until at LEAST 20-24 weeks in.So, yeah, there goes THAT argument. IF you want to argue that LATE-TERM abortions are wrong or should be SEVERELY limited...Then, I'm totally with you. But saying that a raped women/girl has to carry a fetus to term because, gawd, is sick and IMMORAL to me.============Also, it takes TWO to tango. So, why is it the SPERM DONOR gets away scot-free, but the mother is some kind of whore who MUST endure a pregnancy and the cost both money and socially? Screams of sexism to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
† LimitLess Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Okay look TsukumoIf there's no other choice(the women wanted the baby, if she don't get an abortion she'll die with the baby) that's there own decision. Now when it comes to the parents disowning their children because they don't want to get an abortion, ask yourself: Did the parents ask their child to have sex? If yes, that's something I won't be able to comprehend. If no, then they gotta live with their decisions. Sex = Babies. Simple comprehesion, and don't bring rape into this equation. Cause i already said that abortion is okay when it comes to rape. You talk about those teens as if they're innocent, they did the wrong, parents want them to have an abortion or else. It's hard, but that's life: DON'T HAVE SEX UNLESS YOU'RE A PAID PORNSTAR OR MARRIED, OTHERWISE SHIT'S GONNA HAPPEN! Babies come, simple way to deal with it, get an abortion. That's just cruel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theNexus Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 (edited) "A fetus doesn't feel pain until at LEAST 20-24 weeks in.So, yeah, there goes THAT argument." Tell me how does anyone know that? It's like when there is a car accident and thenews says "They died instantly"Oh yeah? Is the person who gave the news the person who died come back from thedead to say "I died instantly and felt no pain"? Dr's Don't know, they say shit like that to make people feel better about themselves. Your statement makes you God now! You have knowledge that is impossible for anyone toposses. You say the man gets off Scott free. If he agrees he is an accomplice to murder.How often is it though the male is never told and the girl just does it. or the guymay want the baby but the woman does not?I know there are times when the bloke is a total A-hole and he wants it aborted, butultimately he has no choice does it. it comes down to the woman carrying the child.The ultimately she is the executioner. Trying to make you understand the bible btw is no better than me hitting my head againsta bring wall in the hope I will get through it. Edited August 24, 2014 by theNexus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsukumo Yuma Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 (edited) Don't forget, there are cases when parents or familly literally drag you in, and make you get an abortion.They don't disown you, because they make you get one agaist your will, because you are a minor, they can do that."A fetus doesn't feel pain until at LEAST 20-24 weeks in.So, yeah, there goes THAT argument."Tell me how does anyone know that? It's like when there is a car accident and thenews says "They died instantly"Oh yeah? Is the person who gave the news the person who died come back from thedead to say "I died instantly and felt no pain"?It has to do with how long it takes before the kids nerves divelop, you can't feel or react to things without them.On the last statement, dying instantly and without pain are two different things.Instantly means with at no time at all, right at that moment, but that doesn't mean you didn't feel pain at that moment, unless your brain doesn't recive pain that fast or at all, you might feel pain, but they didn't say painlessly, they said instantly. Edited August 24, 2014 by Tsukumo Yuma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theNexus Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 (edited) Don't forget, there are cases when parents or familly literally drag you in, and make you get an abortion.They don't disown you, because they make you get one agaist your will, because you are a minor, they can do that. Well then the woman is blameless and the family become the murderers.Not only that, but they Violated the will of the person in question and theirbody too. Edited August 24, 2014 by theNexus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
professa X Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Sensitive stuff. I personally don't agree with 99.99% reasons for it. But there is always that .01% that i never thought to think up of. So thatts why i say somewhat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsukumo Yuma Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Also this topic and the other ones brought this to my mind again.Almost everyone in the world has murdered a life, whether it was a human, a animal a bug, if you fumigated your house, if you kiled in self defence, if you killed in war, if you killed for fun, if you killed to eat, if you stepped on an ant on the street.But only when humans that aren't on a battlefield, or animals that people don't usualy eat are involved, is it considered murder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theNexus Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 (edited) So now you want to place the value of a human life in the same category as a Animals and incests? I kill spiders. I hate spiders. Now my mother was bitten by a whitetail, I failed to know wasin the house and kill. her knee is not only swollen like a balloon but she is in a lot of pain.I don't know if you know anything about white tail spiders, but their bite returns over and overcausing just as much discomfort as the first time for some people.This could be a life long affliction she will have to suffer now. I will kill spiders because they are a threat to me and my family. I have had some horrid experienceswith white tails. They are complete predators. We also have jumpie spiders. Completely harmless to us. I scoop them in my hand and take them outsideto live their little spider life. Mosquitoes. They sting you and cause much discomfort as well as carrying disease. These little shitmust die. So you think their life is as valuable as the unborn.. WoW is all I can say. Edited August 24, 2014 by theNexus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsukumo Yuma Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 (edited) All life is equally valuable, no mater what spicese it is.Muder is still murder even in self defence, murdering some one who just murdered your familly and is about to kill you to, is still murder.None of it is justified, all of it is a sin.The reason why you did the sin, does not change what it is, but everyone has to live with the sin they connived, it has already happened and can never be changed.All life has an equaly imesurable value, none has a value less then the other. Edited August 24, 2014 by Tsukumo Yuma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afternoon Nap Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Do as you want! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
† LimitLess Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 (edited) Muder is still murder even in self defence It's not. You have to live with killing the person, but it's either kill or be killed in this situation. There are instances where some can't help but get an abortion, then there those instances "Let's have sex" "Wait, what if you get pregnant" "Who care's, I'll just get an abortion" That's the worst of them all, like it's just some fun thing to do. Edited August 25, 2014 by LimitLess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsukumo Yuma Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Muder is still murder even in self defenceIt's not. You have to live with killing the person, but it's either kill or be killed in this situation. There are instances where some can't help but get an abortion, then there those instances "Let's have sex""Wait, what if you get pregnant""Who care's, I'll just get an abortion" That's the worst of them all, like it's just some fun thing to do.Most people don't think they will get pregnate just because they had sex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
† LimitLess Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Most people don't think they will get pregnate just because they had sex. It's pretty obvious you except abortion, I don't. And I never will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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