[Discussion] Yu-Gi-Oh! - Obelisk, Ra or Slifer?

[Nero D. Ace]

Which of these Egyptain cards is the one you would LAST want to face in a duel?

for me, it's Obelisk. that thing is just TOO dangerous!!!

From the stats of these cards, at least one thing is crystal clear .. EGYPTIANS DONT PLAY FAIR DAMMIT!!!

[Bardon]

You know its weird how they didn't get down to changing slifer into a more legal version.... O.o

You must Tribute 3 monsters to Normal Summon or Set this card. The ATK and DEF of this card becomes the number of cards in your hand x 1000. When this card is Special Summoned from either player's Graveyard, it is returned to its controller's Graveyard at the End Phase of the turn. If this card is Special Summoned in Defense Position when your opponent has attacked with a monster, you may switch the attack target to this card. While this card is face-up on the field, it cannot be destroyed by card effects, returned to the player's hand/Deck or removed from play, its control cannot be switched, it cannot be equipped with Equip Cards, and the effects of Spells, Traps and other Monsters can only affect it until the End Phase of the turn. When your opponent Summons or Sets a monster, decrease its ATK or DEF by 2000, depending on its Battle Position; if the ATK or DEF of the summoned monster(s) is 0 after this effect resolves, destroy the monster(s).

Hell yeah obelisk is indeed WAY too dangerous! Although shouldn't these egyptian cards be banned in the first place? I mean even after watering em down they still have enough power to go overkill on the player plus their abilities are broken! =P

EGYPTIANS DONT PLAY FAIR DAMMIT!!!

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[AaronScythe]

Once their jinzo like effect were neutralized, and ra became the "sum of 3 summoned monsters attack", the cards were just another thing to nuke.

suppose that 3 monsters attack effect of ra makes it potentially very dangerous, especially when you consider that obelisk's 4000 can be overpowered by the use of a few choice traps/equips, and slifer needs infinite cards to really get powered up (and still have useable hand!)

So yeah, I hate going against Ra in most duels, just too much potential damage there.

Thats why house rules are always the best, change of heart+ sacrifice it to summon something of your own, that you get to keep. (Not sure if that is legal in officials, but my mates always used to do it)

[Nero D. Ace]

i recently had a duel against the winged dragon of ra in the game and i just renewed my perception of how dangerous it is.

In the game, it gains ATK points equal to the number of LP sacrificed. my opponent gave 5000. then, he gave another 1000 to destroy my Ultimate Dragon instantly and hit me 5000 points of direct damage.

The best you can hope for in a match against the egyptian cards is that they don't play them early and you've done a LOTTA damage to their LP beforehand.

[Bardon]

The main reason why change of heart was banned because it came out early. After change of heart they created brain control which was obviously the card with the exact same effect except you'd have to pay 800 LP for it. Regardless both of em were broken because frankly speaking having to control a monster for only 800 is WAY too generous for something so dangerous! O.o

As for your egyptian cards, its really insane how much dangerous they still are even with their legal versions.....i mean they are so overpowering that its not even funny! :S Although i think the only drawback they have is that they don't belong in any other category hence they can't be synced well enough with just any deck....but only requiring to sacrifice 3 monsters is all its gonna need to summon em and thats the part which we must prevent at all costs when in a duel! Never EVER give your opponent the opportunity to have 3 monsters!

Although raviel and dreadroot can be compared to that since they too require only 3 monsters for summoning and given in the deck they're in such as a fiend deck then it would be much much more effective in having em......

Take it from me, i myself use em!

[Super-Buu-5]

I think Ra is awesome, but he can still be targeted and that leaves a possibility for magic cylinder. Also I think the player using Ra has to pay until they have 100LP left not just 5000, which sucks cause then you can't use it's second effect very easily, and he can't be special summoned, so Obelisk is my least favorite

[Goldstandard90]

Anime: Winged Dragon of Ra

TCG/OCG: Obelisk the Tormentor

Ra has always been my favourite of the three Egyptian God cards ever since I saw it in the anime. I remember my luck when I ordered the original God Cards (the non legal version) I only ordered Ra, only to my pleasant surprise that Slifer and Obelisk were tucked right under it in the same sleeve. I'd use Ra occasionally in duels with friends if we both agreed on rules for them before hand (obviously before the legal equivalents were printed) and I always had a lot of fun with Ra. As far as the legal equivalents go I think Obelisk is the more stable and consistent of the two currently printed but Ra could still be formidable in its own right.

[TallFry]

I tend to prefer Slifer, mostly because his effect is the most viable for me to use in the kind of deck I'd most likely put him in. I'd be able to utilize him best overall, and his effect just suits my playstyle more. He's not the blind grawrkill power that Obelisk is, and he doesn't possess the huge risks that come with using Ra, he's basically the neutral party, and that's a route I can see myself taking.

[need_anime]

I prefer the red one

DId/do the 3 cards actually exist?

[TallFry]

Yeah, they exist. The original versions are collector cards only, not meant to be played, but they've made "legal" versions of Obelisk and Ra.

[Hōtarō]

Yeah, they exist. The original versions are collector cards only, not meant to be played, but they've made "legal" versions of Obelisk and Ra.

I got mad when I found out they made legal versions of them.

On topic: I've used all three in non-official matches, I tend to prefer Ra.

[GreekPrince]

It's between Obelisk or Ra but if I had to choose then RA

[† Ferocia Coutura]

I'm not sure about what Slifer's ability is. Can someone explain it to me? What does "X000" mean?

Oh, btw, my least favorite to go againts would probably be Ra. That instant kill for 100 ability is scary.

[Koby]

I'm not sure about what Slifer's ability is. Can someone explain it to me? What does "X000" mean?

Oh, btw, my least favorite to go againts would probably be Ra. That instant kill for 100 ability is scary.

They never made a legal copy of Slifer for the TCG.

However in the Anime this was his ability:

This card cannot be Set. This card cannot be Normal Summoned except by Tributing 3 monsters. The Normal Summon of this card cannot be negated. When this card is Normal Summoned, Spell/Trap Cards or the effects of other monsters cannot be activated, and you can change this card’s battle position once during this turn. If this card is Special Summoned from the Graveyard, it is sent to the Graveyard during the End Phase. (If this card is sent from the field to the Graveyard, it is sent to its controller’s Graveyard.) If this card is Special Summoned in Defense Position when a monster your opponent controls declares an attack, switch the attack target to this card. While face-up on the field, this card cannot be destroyed by card effects, its control cannot be changed, the effects of other cards can only affect it until the End Phase, and any Equip Cards that target it are destroyed immediately. This card is also treated as a Dragon-Type monster. The ATK and DEF of this card are each equal to the number of cards in your hand ×1000. When your opponent Summons a monster(s), decrease its ATK or DEF by 2000 points, based on its battle position. If the ATK or DEF is decreased to 0 by this effect, destroy the monster(s).

[lincher]

I would not want to face any of them :|

These gods are just overpowered

[Koby]

I would not want to face any of them :|

These gods are just overpowered

Not really. The legal TCG versions weaken Obelisk and Ra quite a bit and Slifer hasn't been legalized yet. They take too many 'normal' tributes in today's fast-paced play style to really be of any use, which is why hardly anyone (no one I've dueled) has used them. When everything relies on fast paced Synchros, XYZ's, Fusions, and Special Summons... monsters that require at least three tributes the old fashion way just won't ever be able to be summoned. You're opponent will obliterate you're non-tribute (4-star or less) monsters before you're able to keep enough out to be able to summon.

If they do somehow get Special Summoned, their effects kill them at the end of the turn, unless you use a card that negates their effects. However without their effects all they are is a 0-attack monster and a 4000 attack monster (which people get out the Cyber End Dragon (4000 attack, good effect that makes def monsters still cost lp when destroyed) and Five Headed Dragon (5000 attack, near undestructible in battle) fairly easy these days.

Ra can be taken out with Spells, Traps, and Monster Effects later as it's effect only prevents them when it's summoned. Plus taking you're LP down to 100 can easily put you in a bad spot. Any single card your opponent has could cost you that much life points. Ookazi anyone?

As for Obelisk his effect prevents Spells, Traps, and Monster Effects from 'targeting' him. Key word is target. There are cards that don't specifically target him that can and still will work. Cards like Dark Hole for example.

These cards really are not over-powered. In fact using the legal version of Ra will do more harm then good if your opponent has the right card setup, and Obelisk well as my original point, he's still too slow to have been worth building a deck around him.

Point is the legal versions are not over powered, or else they wouldn't be legal versions. I'm not afraid of any legal version of card. I may hate some, but I'm not afraid of them. I'm confident I could hold my own against a legal Egyptian God deck and I hope they eventually release a legal version of Slifer the Sky Dragon to complete the set.

[Nero D. Ace]

The legal versions really aren't as threatening as I thought. I was dueling earlier and I faced both Obelisk and Winged Dragon Of Ra. I beat them BOTH viz Battle. Didn't even need a card effect.

First of all, Obelisk. His ATK is 4000, which is really rather pitiful if you consider the pains you take to summon him. I was dueling with a Morphtronic Deck and with all the Equip Cards, my level SEVEN Power Tool Dragon had 1600 more ATK points than Obelisk when he finally got summoned.

As for Ra, well giving away Life Points till you only have 100 left puts you in a real tight spot. When I faced him, I Synchro Summoned Ally of Justice Castrador which basically destroys any Non-Dark monster at the beginning of the damage step. Bye Bye, Chicken Wing and say hello to Kuriboh, who'll blast you to oblivion.

[Seabs]

Slifer just seems kind of bad with the variable attack rate and hand management required. Obelisk seems like the best, as it is the most consistent and has a great destruction effect, even if the monster resources required are costly. Anime Ra is better, but real life Ra is miserable without getting the sum of the three monsters as Attack/Defense points.

[ZephyrLazlo]

I wouldn't wanna face Ra, if I had to choose. I think the other two are more destroy able.

[the man773]

Crap, misread the question. My fav is Slifer, Obelisk is too easy to use I would assume. If you had a great recovery deck could really use winged dragon well tho.