Obama, doing good or not?

[Koby]

What do you think about what he has been doing? Has anything made any effect for you? Would you vote for him in 2012? Did you vote for him in 2008? Any other questions or concerns?

Alright. I'll be straight. I voted for Obama in 2008. It was the first time I was old enough during an election to legally vote, and honestly if I had to do it over again, I'd vote Obama again. Heck I'm probably going to vote Obama in 2012 as well.

He has tried hard to accomplish a lot of things, often times the Republicans, and hell even the Democrats pretty much tie his hands and prevent a lot of the stuff he wants done from getting done. People be bitching about the shitty stuff that gets past and they blame Obama for it. Those people are ignorant fools. Almost everything that has gotten past and been altered, edited, and watered down by those who oppose what he stands for to the point it's only a fraction of what he set out to accomplish. If you wanna complain then complain about the old white guys who refuse to change with the times and want to remain in the past.

Now that is not to say I agree with everything Obama has done, but I certainly believe all the hate is directed the wrong way based on the ignorance of America as a whole. Hell the last election proves that. Everyone voted for the people to come in that we should have been voting to keep out. It really fucked things over.

As for how Obama's bills have effected my family? It's all been uphill for us since he came into office. We still can't get jobs, but the government is helping us a lot more than they ever did before to keep us from going under. My sister is getting the treatment she needs, mom is getting the funds needed to make sure she can get there and everything else. Sure it's not the best, but I don't know where we would have been otherwise.

[kickat3000]

Let's see if he keeps his promise to withdraw the troops.

Economy isn't that great, but it's not his fault. I hope employment improve though, being underemployed sucks, I should know

I am glad to hear your family is doing better. As for jobs, Try searching for one on Craigslist.org . Although you might be earning less than you expected, but it's still earning. Did you see his state of the union address?

[Koby]

Let's see if he keeps his promise to withdraw the troops.

Economy isn't that great, but it's not his fault. I hope employment improve though, being underemployed sucks, I should know

I am glad to hear your family is doing better. As for jobs, Try searching for one on Craigslist.org . Although you might be earning less than you expected, but it's still earning. Did you see his state of the union address?

Last I heard he had announced he would have the troops withdrawn by either the end of the year or the end of 2011. No, unfortunately I didn't get a chance to see the State of the Union Address. Anything I should know about it?

[† L4ugh]

Did I vote for Obama in '08 yes. Will I vote for him in '12 absolutely not!

Alot of the fighting that has been going on in the government since he took office he had a hand in. I watched the coverage of the midterm election and one of the comments I heard by one of the reporters for CBS was that on Obama's second day in office he basically told the Republican Party to fck off. He and his party decided that since they had control of the House, Senate, and the White House that the opinions of the Republicans no longer mattered. The Republicans said no to everything out of protest, because everything they said or offered was ignored. The only reason the Health Care Bill is a pile of crap is because the Democrats where to busy trying to get things added to it that solely benefited their own states in order to aid their own reelections. They actually refused to sign a bill they had every intention of signing until they got the addons they wanted.

I really wanted Obama to be the really deal but in reality he is just another crappy Chicago politician, in a long line of crappy Chicago politicians. He wanted to be the first black president and now that he has that we need to move on to a real politician that can work with all members of congress to fix the problems with this nation. I just don't see how Obama could work for another term because he has lost all the respect he had with the Republican Party. They don't want to work with him now and as long as they are forced to things will never get done.

I'm not a Republican, and I pretty much disagree with them on almost every account. I do believe they are an important part of this countries government though, and think any time their voices are silenced that a great injustice has fallen this nation.

[realmzmaster]

Both parties are guilty of the action you describe. The majority party shuts out the minority party.The Republicans gained power in the House and voted to repeal the Heathcare Law without discussion. The repeal vote went down party lines. Also when Obama came into office the Republicans were already formulating how to stop his "agenda".

Promises are made and most elected officials try to keep them, but then reality hits. Senators and representatives are elected to represent their states and bring jobs, economic growth to those states. A Senator or representative that does not deliver to his/her state will soon be an ex -senator or representative.

The nation as a whole becomes a secondary consideration. It should not be that way, but it is. Deals are made and promises broken that is the reality of politics.

[† L4ugh]

Never said the Republicans were innocent of inserting earmarks, but to my knowledge in the last two years they haven't had a chance to do much of anything. The Republicans voted to repeal health care when they took the house because that is what they promised the people that voted for them. I don't remember Obama saying in any of his campaign speeches that he promised to tell the opposition party to shove it once he was elected. I do remember him telling everyone that he was going to be a president that would cross the isle, which 3 days into his first term turned out to be a lie. I also don't see how what the Republicans were formulating had anything to do with it since he flat out shut them down his third day in office. They had no power in either the house or the senate but yet he still felt the need to tell them they weren't going to have a voice either. Does this happen in politics, yes it does, but it doesn't make it ok for him to throw it in their faces. I can't think of any time within my life time that another president decided to alienate himself form the opposition so heavily during his first week of office.

[Koby]

Can you prove he said that? Because all I have ever heard him say is that he fully wants to cooperate with both parties to ensure they would get things done and get them done right. Even when the Republicans didn't have 'power' as you put it, they still influenced enough to get certain things stalled, which lead to Obama going around having talks on TV in several states urging the common folk to recognize what was really going on in hopes of getting the Republicans to change their minds and let the bill pass. Almost everything that has been passed has been severely butchers and delayed by Republicans.

To me, personally it feels like the Republican party as a whole doesn't want to change with the times, and instead is a bunch of old white men who want things to stay as they were because they are comfortable with it and uncomfortable with change. They fear change. If the country is going to turn around, change is exactly what needs to be done. As Obama once put it, 'we can't continue to rely on failed politics, we need change, we need something new'.

[Chaos92]

Now that is not to say I agree with everything Obama has done, but I certainly believe all the hate is directed the wrong way based on the ignorance of America as a whole.

I have always believed that individuals are smart but when they all get together

is when its there downfall. There was a study done where they had a group of people and left them alone in a room trying to figure out how far this object moved and they were disagreeing for awhile but then came to a median between the more extreme answers, but sadly when they came together with their new answer it was way off and the extreme was right. For the most part we are always doing things as whole according to our society. Anyways sociology is a whole other topic but i thought i would add that and as for obama, i do not agree with somethings he has done but i am fine with other things, its just a glass half full half empty kind of thing.

[† L4ugh]

Koby you are right about Republicans they don't want change, they want to rich to continue getting richer while the poor continue getting poorer. It's why I'm not a republican can pretty hate what they stand for. They are still citizens of the US though, and so are the people who elect them. Even though they are colossal douches they still have a right to have their voices heard and their ideals taken into consideration.

The democrats had all the votes they needed to pass health care without earmarks being added. Republicans only used the one power they had left to make the democrats get all of those votes. The problem was that democrats wouldn't sign until they got their earmarks. The reason Obama blamed it on republicans was because it was an election year and he was a democrat. It was because of democrats insisting on so many earmarks during those first two years that democrats lost control of the House during midterm election.

I'm not trying to tell anyone how to vote. I was just answering the original questions this thread was based on, and then added my views of Health Care since it was brought up. As for what Obama said I believe the acutally quote was something like "Election have consequences, and I won." When I translate that from politese to english it comes up to something like "Go screw yourselves, neener neener neener." I'm sure that if I would have heard that three days into his first term, when he said it, that I probably would have laughed my ass off. After two years of what has had to be the worst political stagnation in the recent history of American Politics, it isn't so funny.

[UnknownSoldier9]

I would say I disagree with a lot of things that Obama has done and I agree with others. Its like the other guy said. I am a republican though. I agree with what they do for the most part, mostly with increasing budget to the military. It gives a lot of people jobs right away and if you dont put money into it it leaves us vulnerable and with north korea and Iran out there making nuclear weapons, I think its stupid to not have a strong Military budget. And I know about the budget cuts because I am in the military. It so bad where they dont even offer people signing bonuses. Not even for the Army. I can understand the Air Force not having a signing bonus right now, but the Army? That just shows how low the military's budget is. Not saying its Obama's fault as an individual by any means, its just the trend that always occurs. When Democrats are in office and in control of the legislature, our military shrinks and when republicans are in office the military is brought back up again. Unless its in a time of war. Then the military always has priority. But having those changes is a good thing. If we always put the majority of our money into the armed forces, we wont raise our economy. The democrats focus on the economy and stuff and the republicans focus on national security. Just the way it is. I guess I kinda got off topic. lol

[Koby]

After two years of what has had to be the worst political stagnation in the recent history of American Politics.

I believe 5x or more as much stuff has happened in the past 2 years than what ever happened during the time Bush was in office.

Bush did nothing but fuck up his entire time in office. He couldn't even speak to the public, he had someone speaking into his ear for every thing he did. He ran our economy into the ground and honestly speaking I believe the whole ordeal with Iraq was caused by him to begin with. I watched his final speech, and he pretty much apologizes and says 'sorry I fucked up'. At least he had the galls to admit he screwed everyone over before leaving the office.

I'm neither Republican nor Democrat, but Bush really fucked up, and so far I haven't had any complaints with what Obama has or hasn't done. I just wanted to see what others thought of the current Obama administration.

@UnknownSoldier9, yeah that sounds about right, and honestly right now our economy still needs the countries attention.

[UnknownSoldier9]

Yeah, I agree that our economy needs attention. Bu I also think that our national security needs our attention too. i dont like the fact that hostile nations are getting power and our military is in shrink mode as well. I think we need to find a good balance of priorities to help keep these things strong and put some less important matters on hold. Like luxury type things such as building a new bike path. I say this because this is what my home town is doing next summer. Honestly, there is 200 people in my town. Half of those 200 are about 70 years old. I really dont think we need a new biking/hiking path through the woods that the government is paying for. lol Those sort of things I feel can be put on hold until the national economy is stronger and until we are a little safer. Like after Kim Jong Ill is dead for instance. lol

[DEATHxxx50bmg]

i always vote for the lesser of the idiots. guess we will find out at the end of his term. i havent noticed a change other than my paycheck getting smaller and the more taxes coming out of em.

[Koby]

i always vote for the lesser of the idiots.

Ain't that the truth.

[DEATHxxx50bmg]

Ain't that the truth.

hooah. no offence to our government. but it is sad when it comes to the lesser of two evil instead of good and bad

[BushidoSkeleton]

I just hope he doesnt get you guys into anymore wars...or us Aussies will get sucked into it.

[DEATHxxx50bmg]

I just hope he doesnt get you guys into anymore wars...or us Aussies will get sucked into it.

highly doubt it. hes more of a peaceful guy. anti military

[† The Joker]

highly doubt it. hes more of a peaceful guy. anti military

yeah, thats the biggest difference between him and Bush from what I can tell. Obama's less likely to push the big red button to fire a nuke than Bush was... hell... Bush had that button installed!

[† L4ugh]

The only way I see the USA getting involved in another war in the near future would be if things in Egypt go badly and they brake their peace treaty with Israel. The Anglo nations will only put troops on the ground if the other regional baddies Palestine, Syria, Iran decide to involve themselves in it as well. Even if Israel, in all honesty, has it coming to them we still won't let them get squashed out.

Obama isn't a war President but regardless of how much he may want to talk it out, if Israel ends up in a four way fight there will be Anglo and UN involvement.

[TransFuzor]

Also Obama has better things to worry about, like still making allies after Bush frelled (FarScape for f'ed) everything up during his 2 terms of pure hell (pardon my language).