Creating Gun Laws Hurting or Helping?

[DEATHxxx50bmg]

Most people think that gun laws help as it makes people safer because the police are there. We live in a time when the pizza man will get to your house before the police another says. gun laws hurt people becuase it make them defenseless. these are All opinions. What is your opinion. What do you think about gun laws and in a secondary what about home defense laws like the make my day law. For those of you who dont know the make my day law few states have it but it give you the right to defend yourself without reprocutions from the law as long as you are on you own property. We live in a free country with the freedom of speech so give your opinion.

[Koby]

Maybe people will call me biased because I own guns and I go deer hunting, dove hunting, or simply shoot at beer cans and targets, but I believe gun laws are retarded. The whole 'guns kill' is idiotic. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Taking away guns from the citizens is not going to stop the people who'd kill people with guns, they'd simply get them illegally.

Not to mention that without guns, how would people hunt? Did you know it's a known fact that legal hunters are a good thing? They keep the population from overcrowding and therefore food in their areas for those species stay plentiful so they animals don't die off and crap. Hell the enviromentalist and even a lot of animal rights activists etc.. and crap understand that. Also the amount of money hunters bring into the government between the yearly licenses and crap? The government would be cutting their own throats.

If they do ban firearms, you really think we gun owners would hand them over quietly? Fuck no, we'd hide them out somewhere they'd never find them. Some will be registered to you, like if you bought them new but most of my guns, infact none of my guns are registered in my name so they couldn't tie any back to me to prove I even have them.

[Max465]

I'm with Koby on this one. I personally hate guns and never plan to shoot a real gun ever. But I don't believe that banning guns makes a person any safer. In fact in some ways it makes us less safe. You really think that someone who wants a gun to kill someone would give a crap that it's against the law to own that gun in the first place?? No, they'd find some illegal way to obtain the gun, just like drug addicts find illegal ways to obtain their drug of choice. So now the crazed man with a gun has a weapon, and the law abiding citizen doesn't...so much for self defense.

If you take away guns, we'll starting killing each other with bows and arrows, take away those, swords and axes, take away those, we'll grab rocks and start beating people with them. As already said, violence is caused by the person, not the weapon. As someone who dislikes guns, I feel it's a persons right to hunt if he pleases as long as they respect that I don't want to.

[Clare]

As the others have said above, I personally think it's the person rather than the law that contributes to the violence from guns/arms. Though, the main thing I think contributes to the people being violent with the arms could be traced back to the media of today. Movies, T.V. shows, magazines, and video games put bad images of war and violence into the younger audience of today. However, video games seem to be the most violence-inducing form of media. Nowadays, when I go over to a friends house, I see their little siblings who are about 8 years or younger watching extremely gory/violent movies, or playing gun shooting video games such as Call of Duty. Not only with little kids, but teenagers and adults as well. Most people know that war isn't supposed to be a fun time passer, or shooting people isn't either. But, think of it though, if someone is spending hours and hours shooting people in a video game, what kind of thoughts do you think that would project to them in the real world or later on in life? I know I'm probably going to get strongly flamed for saying that because most people here are avid gamers, however, it's the way I've looked at the situation for the past few years...

[DEATHxxx50bmg]

Maybe people will call me biased because I own guns and I go deer hunting, dove hunting, or simply shoot at beer cans and targets, but I believe gun laws are retarded. The whole 'guns kill' is idiotic. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Taking away guns from the citizens is not going to stop the people who'd kill people with guns, they'd simply get them illegally.

Not to mention that without guns, how would people hunt? Did you know it's a known fact that legal hunters are a good thing? They keep the population from overcrowding and therefore food in their areas for those species stay plentiful so they animals don't die off and crap. Hell the enviromentalist and even a lot of animal rights activists etc.. and crap understand that. Also the amount of money hunters bring into the government between the yearly licenses and crap? The government would be cutting their own throats.

If they do ban firearms, you really think we gun owners would hand them over quietly? Fuck no, we'd hide them out somewhere they'd never find them. Some will be registered to you, like if you bought them new but most of my guns, infact none of my guns are registered in my name so they couldn't tie any back to me to prove I even have them.

Outstanding. i am with ya on that. law make us defensless becuase the wrong people are targeted. thats just my tidbit

ill throw my bit in there. i am a gun owner as well. i have nothing against people not wanting to shoot and not owning guns. but people who have never fired one or had a bad experience with one of tried it but didnt like are the ones making the laws. those people safe up in government are listening to the wrong people and the gun laws are targeting the wrong people. EXAMPLE. switzerland had the mandatory every citizen above 18 i believe are required to own one firearm. crime there is the lowest in the world. no one wants to raid a house if they now its defended. its the bullies and people with no common sense they ruin it for others. I am military but that dont mean i am biased of anything i look at both sides of the issue. some gun laws do help but they need to stop with some that just dont make sense. we dont need full auto firearms but they tried banning bolt action long rifles becuase they said they were sniper rifles. they dont know the definition of a sniper rilfe. or assault rifle. assault rilfe-a full automatic military firearms designed to give it user fire superiority over his opponent. a civilian ar15 is not an assualt rifle. a remington model 700 is not a sniper rilfe.

[realmzmaster]

I believe that some laws are necessary. You cannot tell me that people need an AK-47 or most automatics to go hunting. Unless you are hunting people. Laws need to be in place to keep the identified mentally unstable away from them.

For example, I live in the state of Illinois where people who are identified as mentally unstable cannot own a gun. That same individual can go across the state line to Indiana and purchase a gun. Some nationwide laws and a tracking database of the mental incompetent and felons needs to be in place. I have lived in states where people were allowed to carry concealed weapons. Did it make me feel safer? No. Because the criminal was more apt to shoot first because his/her target might have a gun.

A gun is only good if you get to use it.

Recent incident http://www.14wfie.com/story/13865048/ca-student-brings-gun-to-school-2-students-shot

I do not believe in restricting a person's rights but let common sense prevail.

[Koby]

I believe that some laws are necessary. You cannot tell me that people need an AK-47 or most automatics to go hunting. Unless you are hunting people. Laws need to be in place to keep the identified mentally unstable away from them.

For example, I live in the state of Illinois where people who are identified as mentally unstable cannot own a gun. That same individual can go across the state line to Indiana and purchase a gun. Some nationwide laws and a tracking database of the mental incompetent and felons needs to be in place. I have lived in states where people were allowed to carry concealed weapons. Did it make me feel safer? No. Because the criminal was more apt to shoot first because his/her target might have a gun.

A gun is only good if you get to use it.

Recent incident http://www.14wfie.com/story/13865048/ca-student-brings-gun-to-school-2-students-shot

I do not believe in restricting a person's rights but let common sense prevail.

I'm not saying we should have 'no' gun laws, I'm just saying they shouldn't be trying to completely outright ban the right to own firearms. I fully understand we have no use for fully-automatic weapons, but we have the right to own a rifle to hunt animals, and target practice. We should also have the right to a handgun if wanted. I agree on most of your points though, but a lot of guns are sold 2nd hand and that database you speak of would do nothing in those cases. It'll only add more work, yet do nothing to stop those who are wanting to obtain one when they shouldn't be able to, or to obtain it to do something they shouldn't. There is no way of stopping those people, and they shouldn't try to prevent the Law Abiding Citizens from owning guns just to try and prevent the bad people from obtaining them, especially when they will fail in their goal anyways.

[UnknownSoldier9]

I agree with all the pro gun people who posted this. I am a gun owner as well and a hunter. I personally own over 10 guns. Only rifles and shot guns used for hunting, but still. If they banned guns and tried to take them from me I would be pissed. I would probably move to Canada since im only an hour from there. I kinda agree with not being allowed to own fully auto weapons too. I think they should ban the sale of all fully auto weapons over a certain caliber. But being in the military I want to keep my AR-15 when i am done. Its kinda like a keep sake. I dont want to not have that option. About your idea of having tracking systems put into the guns, someone will find a way to launder that and disable the tracking device, making it a waste of money. Plus, most guns are old used ones that wouldnt have the tracker in it. And everyone should be able to carry a handgun as well. There are a lot of people who like to do the exhibition shooting and competitions. well everyone except the crazies who kill people and stuff. lol

[Extrazero8]

I believe that some laws are necessary. You cannot tell me that people need an AK-47 or most automatics to go hunting. Unless you are hunting people. Laws need to be in place to keep the identified mentally unstable away from them.

For example, I live in the state of Illinois where people who are identified as mentally unstable cannot own a gun. That same individual can go across the state line to Indiana and purchase a gun. Some nationwide laws and a tracking database of the mental incompetent and felons needs to be in place. I have lived in states where people were allowed to carry concealed weapons. Did it make me feel safer? No. Because the criminal was more apt to shoot first because his/her target might have a gun.

A gun is only good if you get to use it.

Recent incident http://www.14wfie.com/story/13865048/ca-student-brings-gun-to-school-2-students-shot

I do not believe in restricting a person's rights but let common sense prevail.

I personally own 4 AK47s and an AR15. I have also taken them hunting. There is nothing wrong hunting with an AK or AR or FAL. The vast majority of these rifles are semiautomatic and make great hunting rifles.

[† Ferocia Coutura]

The whole 'guns kill' is idiotic. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

And whats one of the most used weapons? I beleive its guns.

[Redprophet19]

And whats one of the most used weapons? I beleive its guns.

Whats the second most, IED's(Improvised Explosive Device). wanna know what the third is Knifes, shovels, pencils, ect, ect. The point is Guns are not the biggist weapon used, its people. People are weapons and they use any tool( yes a gun is a tool) to achieve there goals of killing. So saying guns are the problem is like say "Im a killer but hey the gun just went off on accident and hey i just was holding it, and it just happen to kill someone. Its not my fault but the gun's." You cant push the blame on the tool for the deads that you do.

[Koby]

And whats one of the most used weapons? I beleive its guns.

Your logic is failed.

[cow whisperer]

When comparing the murder rates of the UK which bans guns and the US where you can get a gun at Walmart, the UK has 4 times less murders per 1000 people. In Florida recently, a mother went out bought a gun and killed her 2 teenage kids in less than a weeks time.

It's simply too easy to get a gun legally and illegally. There's too many out there and it's probably too late to do anything about it.

[Koby]

When comparing the murder rates of the UK which bans guns and the US where you can get a gun at Walmart, the UK has 4 times less murders per 1000 people. In Florida recently, a mother went out bought a gun and killed her 2 teenage kids in less than a weeks time.

It's simply too easy to get a gun legally and illegally. There's too many out there and it's probably too late to do anything about it.

That is an unfair comparison when you consider we also have like 10x the amount of people. Again, guns don't kill people, people kill people. If you take away guns, they'll only kill by other means.

[Vael]

man I wish that guy put his source of information up with his post, anyway I think that's what he meant when he said "the UK has 4 times less murders per 1000 people." it's per one thousand people (it's averaged out), but the murder count is irrelevant, people can murder without a gun, just as easily, you need to remember we're all flesh and blood after all, people in the past and today have all stabbed, poisoned, strangled, tortured and other nasty things even before guns existed, guns are just a means to an end, for some, for other people who use them for sport, stress relief (going to the shooting gallery after work or something like that) those guys are cool, it's the douchbag gangsters, psychologically messed up kids and organized crimes that police and society have to be worried about.

But for a lot of people you have to break it down to their living conditions, stress, desperation, self worth, attitude, their situation in life, and the undeniable question, availability, the ability to get a gun and motive for getting a gun, organized crime syndicates will get a lot of guns to stand a chance against both police and their rivals in crime, bank robber will use it to subdue hostages using threats of death, in the end it all comes down to the above points (maybe others, tired right now) as to what you should be considering with guns and crime in general.

[seirachan]

It doesn't matter if there are gun laws or not... the bad guys will always get them.

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thats why we need to give the good guys Tanks. Its cogent logic.