Sex

[Dread]

Sex was meant for reproduceing. Only humans and dolphins have sex for pleasure. And only humans abuse it. In all ways mankind has always been a free and untamed species. Untrustworthy and unorthadox. There is no more instinct. Put laws on a human and it will find a way around it. Give them something they like and they will take what they see fit. So once man had realised it enjoyed sex, it suddenly couldn't live without it. For humans, sex was never a beautiful thing. Only something to thrive a broken species and to pass the time while they wait for the end. To me, yes, sex is only for couples who love one another. But to be sure the love lasts, there should be no sex. If you can live with each other for a long time with no sex, then whats the harm? If the woman stays with you for a year with you not touching her she either loves you or she settled...Either way its better then mindless procreation.

[Mujklob]

Sex was meant for reproduceing [sic]. Only humans and dolphins have sex for pleasure.

How do you know what it was meant for? Sure, speaking in terms of evolution, it is for procreation, but there is certainly a love component in humans. Bonobos do too. Also, so what? Is that wrong? 'Wrong' is just a matter of perspective and opinion.

If you can live with each other for a long time with no sex, then whats the harm?

What's the harm if you do have sex?

[Crystal Shards]

Well other than the obvious pregnancies and STDs, there's also mental harm that can be obtained, i.e. extreme insecurity/fear of sex, etc.

This mental harm can also happen from lack of intimacy--not necessarily meaning sex, but sex is one of its forms.

~Crystal

[-PHXN- New001]

STDs, which are actually called STIs nows are technically not a harm of sex.

Though they are linked, and are pretty much the main reason for sexual precautions.

And there is alot of trauma linked to sex.

Though vise versa there is alot of pleasure.

[Crystal Shards]

STDs are a harm of sex. You get them from sex. Not having sex greatly lowers your chances of getting them.

If you can get mental trauma FROM SEX, it's a harm of sex, but not if you get STDs FROM SEX? That doesn't make sense. At all.

Therefore, STDs count as a possible harm of sex, just as mental trauma does.

~Crystal

[Dread]

When one does notice the dangers of sex, does it ever really stop them? One thinks about it but goes on. After sex one of the two will more than often want more. When that one gets bored (they always do) they move on to more people, often without their partner's ever knowing of it. The bactiria that made STDs is only transmitted by mixing fluids from one person to the next. If you bled in someones wound you could give them this STD. If you spit in their mouth and they had some kind of cut or a removed tooth, something that would allow entry to the bloodstream or anything else internal would almost always give STDs. Its only called "sexualy transmitted" because sex is the biggest cause. Two open holes with access to the entire body.

The mental trauma is almost right as well. But trauma might be too strong a word for many cases. It only causes insecurity. But still leads to perminant trust issues. Sex ruins all kinds of relationships or friendships because people no longer know how to react to someone they've had sex with. Anxiety quickly sets in and then leads to neither of the two wanting to see each other ever again. But the lack of sex could also be bad for relationships. If your parter does not want to touch you then you become self concious. Or if for a long period of time your partner suddenly has a change in attitude. Suspicions rise as to why after a year without sex they suddenly don't mind it anymore. Weather or not it was just copeing or infidelity jealousy and mistrust are all a biproduct of sex. Its things like sex that make humans so much more high strung then they already are from the rest of life's problems. Its only good under certain circumstances. I for one don't like sex for fun or to pass the time. Its a good way to take out aggression (both good and bad) and to show that you are open and trusting of your partner. People who can bare their flesh in public obviously wouldn't have any clue what I'm saying. Its not a soul thing nor a spiritual thing. Its about dignity and virtue. Something this planet lacks plenty.

[-PHXN- New001]

STDs are a harm of sex. You get them from sex. Not having sex greatly lowers your chances of getting them.

If you can get mental trauma FROM SEX, it's a harm of sex, but not if you get STDs FROM SEX? That doesn't make sense. At all.

Therefore, STDs count as a possible harm of sex, just as mental trauma does.

~Crystal

Once again they are called STIs

Sexaully Transmitted Infections.

And that makes complete sense actually. The Sexual Trauma is directly linked to the sex that just occurred. However STIs are a result of bacteria or viruses.

[† shinji]

When one does notice the dangers of sex, does it ever really stop them? One thinks about it but goes on. After sex one of the two will more than often want more. When that one gets bored (they always do) they move on to more people, often without their partner's ever knowing of it. The bactiria that made STDs is only transmitted by mixing fluids from one person to the next. If you bled in someones wound you could give them this STD. If you spit in their mouth and they had some kind of cut or a removed tooth, something that would allow entry to the bloodstream or anything else internal would almost always give STDs. Its only called "sexualy transmitted" because sex is the biggest cause. Two open holes with access to the entire body.

The mental trauma is almost right as well. But trauma might be too strong a word for many cases. It only causes insecurity. But still leads to perminant trust issues. Sex ruins all kinds of relationships or friendships because people no longer know how to react to someone they've had sex with. Anxiety quickly sets in and then leads to neither of the two wanting to see each other ever again. But the lack of sex could also be bad for relationships. If your parter does not want to touch you then you become self concious. Or if for a long period of time your partner suddenly has a change in attitude. Suspicions rise as to why after a year without sex they suddenly don't mind it anymore. Weather or not it was just copeing or infidelity jealousy and mistrust are all a biproduct of sex. Its things like sex that make humans so much more high strung then they already are from the rest of life's problems. Its only good under certain circumstances. I for one don't like sex for fun or to pass the time. Its a good way to take out aggression (both good and bad) and to show that you are open and trusting of your partner. People who can bare their flesh in public obviously wouldn't have any clue what I'm saying. Its not a soul thing nor a spiritual thing. Its about dignity and virtue. Something this planet lacks plenty.

That's a bit crude.

Relationships built on sex aren't usually meaningful. In that, they usually don't have anything in common and are only in it for the sex.

Not having sex in a relationship, i find, is achievable and which i respect. contemporary society is built upon the focus of having to have sex in order for a successful relationship. For a successful relationship, you need to have trust & love.

And yes, I am still a virgin. But you know what? big deal. I live my life just like the average joe. Having fun and making the best of my life. With or without sex.

[-PHXN- New001]

The bactiria that made STDs is only transmitted by mixing fluids from one person to the next. If you bled in someones wound you could give them this STD. If you spit in their mouth and they had some kind of cut or a removed tooth, something that would allow entry to the bloodstream or anything else internal would almost always give STDs.

That is not right at all.

It takes over a gallon of saliva to transmit AIDs... And that IS a fact.

With the exception of Herpes, none of the STDs can be transmitted orally.

These STDs you speak of that can be transmitted through open wounds are not STDs cause by bacteria, they would be viral.

Granted there are multiple viral STDs, but than its hardly considered an STI, rather just a nasty virus that can be transmitted through many ways.

One of the most easily spread STIs, AIDs... which can be transmitted through many different methods.... can not be transmitted through saliva, doesnt that tell you something?

Thanks for the support osiris

[Dread]

Yes thats correct. And shinji: If you're a virgin by choice then you are envied. Congrats. But too many people try to have sex all the time. With or without STDs Or STIs or even just blood diseases. People strive for sex, not the purpose of sex. Its a selfish act to gain pleasure. Understandable that people would want pleasure but I'm just looking at it from a personal and I mean STRICTLY personal point of view. I hate humanity and all it stands for. Sex isn't a beautiful thing and never has been. Its an abused way for losers to pass the time. I've had to hear morons talk about haveing sex all the time. When they drag me into it I get more angry. Just because I spent the night with a girl means I HAD to have slept with her right? Sex became the trophy of humanity. The more you had the better you were in the eyes of others. In my eyes and apearantly mine alone, the more self control and morality you have the better you are.

Many can tell just by reading that I have issues, but from my own personal expirience, the more of a competition you make sex the more people strive for it, and the more desperate people get for it the more they LIE to try and seem like they got it. Lies are always directed at the women they know, and when they find out what happens then? A large and unending web of lies hatred and drama spreads throughout the group eventualy dragging in the ignorant section of the friends with no clue what ever happened or even what started it all. And as many here would know, drama is annoying.

I would love to start a family. But with what I've had to go through I've only learned that love is a lie. I knew a girl who thought only men could lie and cheat. I wanted to prove her wrong. A year later she was the one lieing and cheeting. Now that we've broken up years ago, she still lies about me for dumping her. Saying I cheated. I blame sex because after we had sex THATS when it all went downhill. So, dragging this topic back to its original topic. Sex is, in a way a trial...For relationships to either succeed or fail. and for almost the entire population its just a game. That rather large group is a group this world could do without. Of coarse, as I said. Its a personal oppinion.

[Crystal Shards]

Once again they are called STIs

Sexaully Transmitted Infections.

And that makes complete sense actually. The Sexual Trauma is directly linked to the sex that just occurred. However STIs are a result of bacteria or viruses.

You're the only one I've heard call them STIs, and in either case you still know what I'm talking about so please, drop it. I'm going to call them STDs, and I let you call them STIs, so seriously. We both understand what is being discussed.

And it doesn't matter what causes STDs. It's still a result of sex. So your argument is invalid. If you wouldn't have had sex with that person, you wouldn't have the STD. If you wouldn't have had sex with the person, you wouldn't have the trauma.

And both can be given in the matter of sex without consent.

There's no exception. So yes, STDs are still a result of sex.

~Crystal

[† Emotional Outlet]

"With the exception of Herpes, none of the STDs can be transmitted orally."

???

http://health.rutgers.edu/brochures/sti.htm

http://www.dph.sf.ca.us/sfcityclinic/stdbasics/stdchart.asp

As for "disease" versus "infection", Wiki (totally reliable, of course) says:

"Increasingly, the term sexually transmitted infection (STI) is used, as it has a broader range of meaning; a person may be infected, and may potentially infect others, without showing signs of disease."

I don't think the difference between STD and STI matters--it's all semantics as far as I'm concerned.

I don't think sex is, in itself, a good or bad thing. It all has to do with the meaning you attach to it. But I might be biased since I tend to have more male friends than female, and we all know how irreverent guys are about sex. [/sarcasm]

As many people I know who treat sex like shit, I know just as many who treat it like it's a fairy tale, just as many who treat it like a tool, just as many who don't care for it at all, just as many who treat it as the consummation of a relationship, and so many others in between and towards the edge. I don't know where all the hatred and bitterness is coming from. I don't know if I'm just misreading it all, but I don't want to think that just because there have been so many bad experiences, there isn't anyone out there worth taking the risk for.

[-PHXN- New001]

Sorry EO I meant to say most STIs (which I will still call them) cannot affect the oral region... Not so much that it cannot be transmitted through mouth to vaginal or penile contact.

And I agree, there are always gonna be people willing to take the risk, knowingly and unknowingly. And I think sometimes (personally a majority) its worth the risk if you follow standard protection.

[Crystal Shards]

Call them STIs if you wish. Just let others call them STDs. XD

I don't know where you're getting hostility either, EO. I haven't seen any hostility.

~Crystal

[Dread]

I believe I'm the hostility...I've only had bad expiriences.

And yes it is true that it is mainly and so far ONLY harpes that can be transmited oraly (my bad) and otherwise can easily spread to any groinal area. But again to end my debateing in the STD (BTW I call them STDs since I've never heard the term STI) I couldn't care less if the woman had any STDs. I just don't have sex without a better reason than release or mere lust. Which many mistake or fib to be love. I'd rather die than attempt love again. Sex is just a carnal need for all of humanity. But in my recent detatchment from many emotions I no longer need it. Its only left me genocidal. Not twards race or gender...just humans in general...

[-PHXN- New001]

I believe we we're already over the fact that STI and STD are both acceptable terms to describe bacteria or virus contracted during sex.

So I think this debate can continue...

[Osirus Thone]

I guess we have covered this topic fully, I highly doubt it just the active users have posted there thoughts on it maybe some of the newer people should spread some light on what they think about sex. Also Luneth please dont spam in my topic I dont care if its been dead for like 5 months rofl <--- im hardcore n I wish to continue this debate.

So here we go I'll now post some stuff I've got to say.

Lately everyone I've talked to enjoys to sleep around with alot of people, be it friends or random people. If this continues k umm ill post this section in black read it if u may but its rude and racist. If we keep this up this country North America withh turn into Brazil from South America and I highly doubt we want to have offsprings who actually have aids. i'm sorry if this offends anyone that's why its in black.

Alright that part is done and the kid eyes can read again. Well i bet 9/10 people will actually look in it but I forwarned you. So I also know alot of people who don't sleep around as well I know about as many virgins as sluts. where I live they actually are sluts no way to beat around that bush. So for all the younger kids around my age don't do it because you think its cool it happens when you find the right person. don't rush women into doing it either (for the guys) that gets u charged with rape and i highly doubt u want to a sex offender.

[-PHXN- New001]

Hows this Osiris, do you know which age has the fastest growing AIDs epidemic (in the US)?

If you guessed senior citizens you are correct! (and a very sick person if you actually did)

Things like pornography portray women as objects, which is one reason why guys treat them like objects.

Also if you've ever had sex, (meaningful) I think you can agree is not like porn at all.

It is a very powerful thing, and when I first discussed in this thread, I had no idea XD

Don't get me wrong, sex for pleasure is perfectly possible, and I have accomplished that. It's quite different from passionate sex (and personally I didn't like it as much). However it all comes down to whatever floats your boat.

[Osirus Thone]

haha really if you ask em what country has the most people with Aids I would say brazil >.> and wow seniors have the aids and stuff more wow so the brittle people get more action >.> I know meaningful sex isnt like porn at all porn u see the man just throwing her around. You need to treat a women with respect or you should go be emo and cut ur wrists till u bleed to death. I'm a very mean person when it comes down to that I guess.

[-PHXN- New001]

Yea, well senior citizens does not have the largest %, but it has the largest GROWING %. Something like 17% of all AIDs infections are 50+. Alot of it has to do with viagra and things of that sort.

And yea I'm not saying anyone disrespects women here, I'm just saying they're equals not objects