professa X Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) This is bad for all of us! We need to voice our selves! Some more reading for clarification: Understanding Net(flix) Neutrality and Leaked FCC Report Details Weak "Hybrid" Plans For Net Neutrality were helpful. Edited November 8, 2014 by professa X 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsukumo Yuma Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 The FCC is now convincing tv stations to sell airwaves.Now TV air waves will not even be free, first radio, wifi, now tv, not calbel tv, but regular tv.http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL2N0RW1Z320141001?irpc=932 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Lucario Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) They really want to destroy everything. these people in power are really getting on my nerves. Edited November 6, 2014 by Dark Lucario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoonKnight Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 Unbelievable. I wish these idiots would stop trying to move everything backwards. Thanks for the heads up...you really have to keep an eye on what's going on these days or you're completely screwed before you even know what happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afternoon Nap Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 still not understanding what's going on; too much reading for me; one article linking to several others; rather spend time doing something else; not exactly idle; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
professa X Posted November 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 still not understanding what's going on; too much reading for me; one article linking to several others; rather spend time doing something else; not exactly idle; in a nut shell. isp will have control over your internet. they will decide what fair consumption is and they will be easily pressured by those copyright holders to control ur content. plus some other BS. If you care you will keep an i on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moodkiller Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 in a nut shell. isp will have control over your internet. they will decide what fair consumption is and they will be easily pressured by those copyright holders to control ur content. plus some other BS. If you care you will keep an i on it. I thought thats what they do already??. Well put it this way, my ISP in NZ has a fair use policy for their customers on their uncapped plans, where if they determine you are going to hamper the network and affect other users on it, they will restrict you until 1) your usage decreases, or 2) there is spare bandwidth being available. That said, last months total useage came to 1.7TB . . . By law, I also assume that if any ISP got presented with an DMCA (copyright breach) due to content that you as their customer posted, the ISP would have to take some form of action against you. What am I getting at? Just going from your "in a nutshell" description, all the talk of these things that are going to implemented, are already here. But like ounce mentioned, I haven't been following it that closely so might be missing the whole point all together. Feel free to correct me/argue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenshiKeizu Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Use this link to call the FCC and tell them to save Net Neutrality:https://www.callthefcc.com/?t=dXNlcmlkPTU0MzAyNDkxLGVtYWlsaWQ9OTIxMw== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
† LimitLess Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 Who know's, they might put people'e needs ahead of their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
professa X Posted November 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 in a nut shell. isp will have control over your internet. they will decide what fair consumption is and they will be easily pressured by those copyright holders to control ur content. plus some other BS. If you care you will keep an i on it. I thought thats what they do already??. Well put it this way, my ISP in NZ has a fair use policy for their customers on their uncapped plans, where if they determine you are going to hamper the network and affect other users on it, they will restrict you until 1) your usage decreases, or 2) there is spare bandwidth being available. That said, last months total useage came to 1.7TB . . . By law, I also assume that if any ISP got presented with an DMCA (copyright breach) due to content that you as their customer posted, the ISP would have to take some form of action against you. What am I getting at? Just going from your "in a nutshell" description, all the talk of these things that are going to implemented, are already here. But like ounce mentioned, I haven't been following it that closely so might be missing the whole point all together. Feel free to correct me/argue. I am bad at explaining things but here i go. Now i dont expect anyone out of the US to care about this since FCC is US and this a US problem. Yea to be sure ISP have always had that control but not like the way you describe. Here in the US we promised bandwidth. I am paying for a certain bandwidth that was allocated to me regardless of how i use it or if i use it at all. Now the hybrid policy is supposed to be fair with the Big web companies but provides no protection to users. So this was the original idea: ISP will charge websites if they want to provide their services faster.SO my ISP will charge FaceBook if FaceBook needs to send me information. So on the front that seems nice right. But what if a site like NetFlix (which you have to pay for) is charged? Well my monthly subscription price will increase. But what if they dont pay for the faster internet. Then my video's will take along time to buffer. So how does this affect me? Think about if sites like MEGA/TusFiles/etc had to go through this BS (assuing they are US based but not likely). Of course they have a free and premium plan. And the free plans are some times decent. But with this those free plans speeds will suck so bad with the FCC policy. Also any site with the potential of being the next FaceBook or Twitter or NetFlix will have a hard time getting a 'fanbase" when they have horrible speeds. So the future of innovation is slaughtered. So how does copyright affect this? Well my guess is that usually sites with copyright infringement have high traffic so in a sense i loose speed not because of me or the content but because the site is so popular. So how does my paying a monthly price for internet suffer? We have ISP's charging Me for accessing it (the site) and then the site gets charged for being accessed. And for me to get my 10mbps DL i have to pay and then they have to pay and if they have to pay then guess what i'm probably gunna end up paying more! -end professa X ramblings! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
† LimitLess Posted November 7, 2014 Report Share Posted November 7, 2014 That reaaaallly sux for the US. Sorry to all who live there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
professa X Posted November 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 That reaaaallly sux for the US. Sorry to all who live there LOL. That was heartfelt! Whos the avatar? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moodkiller Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 in a nut shell. isp will have control over your internet. they will decide what fair consumption is and they will be easily pressured by those copyright holders to control ur content. plus some other BS. If you care you will keep an i on it. I thought thats what they do already??. Well put it this way, my ISP in NZ has a fair use policy for their customers on their uncapped plans, where if they determine you are going to hamper the network and affect other users on it, they will restrict you until 1) your usage decreases, or 2) there is spare bandwidth being available. That said, last months total useage came to 1.7TB . . . By law, I also assume that if any ISP got presented with an DMCA (copyright breach) due to content that you as their customer posted, the ISP would have to take some form of action against you. What am I getting at? Just going from your "in a nutshell" description, all the talk of these things that are going to implemented, are already here. But like ounce mentioned, I haven't been following it that closely so might be missing the whole point all together. Feel free to correct me/argue. I am bad at explaining things but here i go. Now i dont expect anyone out of the US to care about this since FCC is US and this a US problem. Yea to be sure ISP have always had that control but not like the way you describe. Here in the US we promised bandwidth. I am paying for a certain bandwidth that was allocated to me regardless of how i use it or if i use it at all. Now the hybrid policy is supposed to be fair with the Big web companies but provides no protection to users. So this was the original idea: ISP will charge websites if they want to provide their services faster.SO my ISP will charge FaceBook if FaceBook needs to send me information. So on the front that seems nice right. But what if a site like NetFlix (which you have to pay for) is charged? Well my monthly subscription price will increase. But what if they dont pay for the faster internet. Then my video's will take along time to buffer. So how does this affect me? Think about if sites like MEGA/TusFiles/etc had to go through this BS (assuing they are US based but not likely). Of course they have a free and premium plan. And the free plans are some times decent. But with this those free plans speeds will suck so bad with the FCC policy. Also any site with the potential of being the next FaceBook or Twitter or NetFlix will have a hard time getting a 'fanbase" when they have horrible speeds. So the future of innovation is slaughtered. So how does copyright affect this? Well my guess is that usually sites with copyright infringement have high traffic so in a sense i loose speed not because of me or the content but because the site is so popular. So how does my paying a monthly price for internet suffer? We have ISP's charging Me for accessing it (the site) and then the site gets charged for being accessed. And for me to get my 10mbps DL i have to pay and then they have to pay and if they have to pay then guess what i'm probably gunna end up paying more! -end professa X ramblings! Ahh right I see... America! In the end it sounds like a huge big money making racket that everyone has to falling in line with. Assuming this happens of course. Personally I don't see it ever happening . The fact that ISP's charge us already to use their service and access free websites but limit us with a capped browsing amount (i.e caps of 30GB, 80GB etc) is beyond me. Though this dose seem to be phasing out now. That reaaaallly sux for the US. Sorry to all who live there Haha this was my thinking after I read the first line of Professa X's post xD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilServo Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 well we shud do what we gotta do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
† LimitLess Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Whos the avatar? Shizuo Heiwajima from DRRR!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afternoon Nap Posted November 8, 2014 Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Understanding Net(flix) Neutrality and Leaked FCC Report Details Weak "Hybrid" Plans For Net Neutrality were helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
professa X Posted November 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2014 Understanding Net(flix) Neutrality and Leaked FCC Report Details Weak "Hybrid" Plans For Net Neutrality were helpful.Than you for ur contribution. I'll pop it in the OP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilServo Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 well i got a congratulations mail.. seems like the protest was a success fellas ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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