The Fur Industry

[Shade]

killing animals just for the fur is just wrong to me

i wont purchase nor wear fur or wool [wool that is not from America or the UK that is] or blood leather

what are your thoughts

[Citizenmanman]

Well, I am STRONGLY against animal cruelty, I even think people who defend their lives against an animal (let me make this understood, I mean pets, if it is someones PET...) the person should get in a large amount of trouble if they kill it.

Now, as for the question, if the animals are raised to be killed for their fur; in captivity, taken good care of, gently killed, and the rest of them does not go to waste, than I think it is okay... but fur is ugly, same with leather and whatnot... now, if the animals are raised, in a very unhappy place, badly cared for, and tortured at the end, than it is wrong.

[Koby]

I don't really get bothered with it much because I just don't really think about it. But I don't like to see animals tortured.. I saw this one video from another country where they were skinning racoons while they were still alive, thats just sick and cruel.

I dislike any clothes of fur, or leather, but I like leather car seats, etc.. I don't see anyone wearing fur or leather, or wool around here though. Probably because most of the time it's usually hot around here, or at least to me it is.. :/

[Shade]

well very few fur farms care for the arnimals at all

and koby jsut because you dont see it means that its fine?

[Koby]

I didn't say that. O.o I said I just don't seem to think about it, and that most people around here don't wear fur. :/

I never said it was fine, I don't think they should be allowed to kill for just fur..

[Citizenmanman]

Exactly... the fur industry is not big anymore, it lost it's popularity. The thing that pisses me off, even more than the animal cruelty, is that they usually waste EVERYTHING else on the animal, and just dispose of it.

[Shade]

it is really big still...

even in america its very popular in big cities, in europe its still popular fashion to wear fur! to wear dead animals on your body!

way to go world

anyway alot of information can be found on the peta website

but peta can be so immature about it too they are very one sided and even stoop to make fun of celebrities that wear fur

that isnt profesional at all but soem of there videos are veryy informational

okay so here are two of the videos i watched and found to be very true

[yt=Trent Reznor Talks about Fur Trade in China]5KIrBJ1qcgM[/yt]

[yt=Pink Talks about Wool]OJucymwBU6k[/yt]

[Citizenmanman]

Well, we have always worn animal fur, it is just that, now, we can raise them to be killed, rather than going hunting for them. We no longer need to kill them for their fur to survive, which is the sick part, in my opinion. If we didn't have companies making wool, cloth, or synthetic materials, than it would be fine to kill them, because we are doing it for our own survival. It comes down to the fact that, it is wrong to do it... in today's world. It'll always be easier to turn our heads and ignore it, because if we ignore it, we do not think about it, and if we do not think about it, than we can go on with life without feeling sad and depressed all of the time.

No one, ever, will make a difference against the Fur Industry, because it has always been around, ever since man realized it could kill the animals and take their fur to stay warm, fur has been used to trade for other things. It is no longer a method of survival, but stopping something like that is impossible.

Maybe I am wrong, the world has now condemns people for things that are completely natural and that Biology and evolution show as being normal... so maybe the world governments can decide it is illegal for people to do this to animals. *Shrugs* Who knows, all I know is that nothing short of the government can stop the Fur Industry, and our government sucks, so we won't be seeing that happening, it is just something we all will have to just try to keep pushed to the backs of our minds so it doesn't bother us.

[Sultan of Six]

Haha, Ameru takes the words out of my post! Like he said people used fur to survive back in primitive times. They had to because it was either that or die, but now we really don't need to wear fur. Its become a fashion now and it'll be produced because its in demand.

[Citizenmanman]

Indeed, and expanding on the fact that it will continue to be produced, even if illegally,... you can stop the fur industry, by stopping the demand, world-wide, for fur, there are people who still use it to survive, individual skinning and wearing of fur for survival cannot and should not be stopped, but large scale world-wide distribution can be stopped. Stopping it would just take stopping the demand; hmm,... I wonder what we could do to stop the demand, oh, I know! Let's put up pictures of animals being tortured, and skinned to show the people what is done to them... oh wait... they do that already and it has no effect... hell it doesn't even stop animal abuse in general. Oh! Oh! Let's actively insult, and slander the producers of the furs, and those who buy it... wait... never mind, that doesn't do anything either... they do that to the fur industry and people already, and have been doing it for a long time. Well,... we could pour blood on them and ruin the furs, so that the animal's lost life is even MORE of a waste and it's fur has to be thrown out into the trash... huh,... sorry, PETA does that already, and they haven't gotten it to even slow down... I guess the only way REALLY IS to literally destroy the industry, and it's leaders... but then again, that will probably just stop, or even just slow it for only a little before new people come along and start it up.

After thought, what if we try to make a law against it! Damn... once again, forget about it, that's been tried, a lot, and never works... only for endangered animals... oh wait... those are still gotten illegally. So... it really can't be stopped after all.

*Serious stare* I hate the fur industry, yes, I am an animal lover, yes, hell, I am a Furry, which should be enough said, and I still have this way of thinking, because, although I am helplessly fantastical in imagination, and have the creativity and mind that I do, even I cannot think it would ever be a reasonably possible thing that such an industry could be brought down.

[Brynngar]

Personally i can't stand P.E.T.A. or any other organization that is so hypocritical. So i would not believe to much of their retoric. Here is the best example i can give aside from their sponsorship of ecoterrorism. http://www.itchmo.com/report-from-peta-shows-97-of-animals-in-their-care-in-2006-euthanized-4542 this is an article on an internal peta report that came out in 2006 i would read it very carefully before rethinking how much from them you believe. And make sure to read the comments to.

[wysterio]

Amrehlu. You're on the right track, but I think it would help to take a step back and become a bit less emotionally invested. Rather than being alternately passionate and then frustrated as you seemed to be by your examples, perhaps it would be benefitial to examine history for the coming and going of other industries, so you will have models to attack the fur industry. I'm no historian, but I watched a very good presentation on marketting a little while ago.

One example the presentor gave was a society, (I'm sorry, but I can't remember which one) where it had become the custom for the women to wear hooded vales. The local rulers weren't comfortable with this trend as peoples' identities were easily hidden now, so rather than banning vales, they mandated the wearing of hoods by all prostitutes, then vales became far less fashionable over all.

On the other hand, in Austria in the middle of the 19th century I believe, people were dying of malneurishment, and even though potatos had recovered from the potato famon that had plagued Europe a decade before, people still wouldn't eat potatos, so the rulers at that time set up a potato plot that only they could eat from. The public became so insensed that the rulers were eating all the potatos, that this food which had recently been shunned, became perfectly acceptable and in high demand.

The point is that sometimes, people need to be subtley manipulated instead of being blaitently told what they should do. Everyone here can choose not to wear furs, and as this movement becomes more popular, and more people who are in the public attention choose not to wear fur, it will become less and less trendy. Ultimately, people will be surprised that we ever even wore fur regularly. I doubt you'll ever get rid of the fur trade completely, but seeing as the issue itself is so emotionally charged, perhaps a part of the answer would be to take a more even handed approach, so as to get rid of this whole polarization that's happened. To be honest. I like the feel of fur, but I don't own any fur products, and I wouldn't really care if they stopped selling them. I really don't like cruelty as I grew up in a house where we trained police dogs, but these things will both stay issues as long as we make them issues. They need to be dealt with responsibly rather than just being sensationalized. This is a big issue, and the journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. All that sort of thing.

Well, I'm sorry if I wasn't able to explain myself as well as I'd hoped, and I'd be happy to continue this discussion here. it's a very interesting and important one to keep going.

[Clobclark]

It's odd that many people think it's fucked up to skin an animal but it's not fucked up to eat it, but let me not get off topic.

Animals are completely under humans in pretty much every way and if I had to pick between killing 100 kittens or killing one human life, I would kill the 100 kittens. That being said, I would still never wear/own any animal products such as fur or leather and am a vegetarian... because I don't have to eat meat or wear furs to survive. I can live a completely normal life while harming as little life as possible.

Everyone here can choose not to wear furs, and as this movement becomes more popular, and more people who are in the public attention choose not to wear fur, it will become less and less trendy. Ultimately, people will be surprised that we ever even wore fur regularly.

Truth.

[Shade_13]

I understand when people have their own oppinion on this question, but I'd never try affect others' point of view. If I dont wear fur, it doesn't mean that no one should.

If i see a bunch of kids in the streets torturing a kitten , i'll stop them. But if I see someone wearing a fur coat, i wont spit in his face,or rip the coat of him, or start persuading him that he's wrong. Everybody chooses his own ways.

[AaronScythe]

If you dislike the products of fur, kill yourself.

Your ancestors required it to stay warm in the winter, so without it you would not exist.

That being said, fur should not be a fashion thing. If it is genuinely required to stay warm, and the animal is killed as humanely as possible, no problem there.

If it is killed so you can look like a glorified puffball, then theres a problem.

Case example: Leather jacket.

Pros: saves against road rash, durable, treatable for waterproofing, usually lasts much longer than cotton/plastic counterpart.

Cons: An animal has to die

It all comes down to a few core morals choices.

Also, paint splashers are morons, they just wasted the fur, now more has to be made, bravo, you killed another animal yourself.

[† poetictragedy]

I don't wear fur or leather because I think it's gross. The skin and fur belonged to a living animal at one point, and the thought of wearing it grosses me out. However, I won't judge other people for wearing leather or fur. I think that synthetic materials are just as good as the real thing, they usually cost a lot less, and there isn't that awkward "I'm wearing a dead animal" feeling.

Now, as for the question, if the animals are raised to be killed for their fur; in captivity, taken good care of, gently killed, and the rest of them does not go to waste, than I think it is okay... but fur is ugly, same with leather and whatnot... now, if the animals are raised, in a very unhappy place, badly cared for, and tortured at the end, than it is wrong.

Leather and fur will mostly likely be around forever. And if animals have to be killed for those products, they should be cared for properly, like Amrehlu said, and not used solely for fur or leather.

[realmzmaster]

I have no problem if you are killing an animal for food and use the fur for warmth. But let's face it most fur is used to make fur coats for a fashion statement or to show off your opulence. How many of your eat fox, wolf , beaver, or bear? There are man made materials that keep you as warm or warmer than animal fur. Nobody in this day and age need a fur coat for warmth. There are plenty of alternatives.

In some parts of the world it may still be a necessity. For example the killing of whales by native people. The whole whale is used by the village nothing goes to waste. They also thank the whale for providing its bounty.

[Max465]

If you are going to eat the animal then fine, kill it, if you want the animal just for it's fur...Go F*** Yourself.