Nero D. Ace Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Japanese culture is different from Western culture. I understand that, but does the censor board go too far in certain cases for anime. Consider the following examples ... 1) In the Yu-Gi-Oh! dubs, almost every mention of death has been removed. In cases where a person will die if he/she loses a duel, they've replaced it with the term "sent to the Shadow Realm". In fact, there was one episode in which Yugi has to duel against an enemy and while in the Sub, the conditions are that the two duelists are in a circle with their feet bound by chains and 2 saws are located at either end, which come closer to the duelists as their Life Points decrease. When one person's LP reaches zero, the loser loses his leg.In the Dub version however, the saws have an eerie glow about them and the situation is that whoever gets touched by that glow will "get sent to the shadow realm"Another instance is when Set Kaiba threatens to jump off the cliff and commit suicide if he loses in the Sub, but in the Dub, it's changed to "If you hit me, the shock waves of the 'holographic projection' will throw me off."2) In the original 4Kids One Piece dub, they went out of their way to removed all instances of blood and mature language that ever occurred, going as far as even DRASTICALLY changing the plot sometimes if needed. Hell, they even changed a character's name from Zoro to Zolo.3) I have no words to describe this epic fail of NickToons so let this picture suffice.Need i explain which of the two images have been censored?I understand why they feel the need to censor stuff but do they honestly believe that kids can believe the fact that a guy gets beat to a pulp and doesn't bleed a single drop of blood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegendaryGirlA Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 American companies only really care about what sells so there's a logic behind all those edits. Imagine trying to sell an anime to kids with death as a theme. LOL I think editting out the blood and the plot changing does go a bit too far though.I think the edits kind of ruin the authenticity of the anime. However, with that said, I don't have a problem with the edits in Yu-Gi-Oh! I actually am not ashamed to admit I actually enjoyed them. LOL Maybe that's simply for nostalgic reasons. Either way, the point is I don't have a problem with the censoring for this particular anime. As for One Piece.. well, I don't even like it. Haha.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
†Anras Rune Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 it all really depends on the story...most edits are harmless, heck i bet very few people have ever watched blue gender nevermind the unedited version. these basically make the shows more screenable to large audiences and at more prime time slots.but there are some that take it too far, like those mentioned before...and some others...now i dont kno if this is the same in the english dub version, but in the spanish version the entire plot of Death Note was twisted beyond belief, so much so that the even changed Kira and L's names...(apparantly L is a way of saying some drugs name or somethin) yet the spanish audiences are none the wiser... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floef Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 I'd say the original 4Kids One-Piece edit went too far as the edits were so severe that some episodes become incomprehensible.In their defense tho' the rules for morning childrens programing is quite restrictive and the people that originally got the rights for the 4Kids dub didn't really understand the content of One-Piece before they bought it. There some interview on YouTube where the current head of 4Kids talks about it, it's pretty funny and informative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koby Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 Pretty much everything besides the last one is just you talking about 4kids which is about the only company that does such things because as their name suggests-- they are for kids. ><As for the last one-- I'm not sure but I think the first picture may be from Z and not Kai. I hear even in Japan Kai was edited to lower rating and such. Less blood, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idl12 Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 In kai Bardock's blood was edited out on nicktoons, in the dvds, his blood and scars were there. As for what I think of censorship, I don't support it in anyway, the whole theory of "Tv is ruining my child" is just a shitty parents excuse for being a shitty parent, if you can't teach your child what's right and what's wrong and choose to hide away stuff that they'll see in real life anyway, then you shouldn't be a parent, all the fucking protective parents block their child's ears when someone curses but at school, all they're gonna hear is the F word, hell, a child sucks his mother's breast at some point in time yet you wanna censor breasts on television, I'll avoid writing a wall of text here so Tl;Dr Fuck Censorship and fuck the shitty individuals that encourage it, nothing was hidden from me and I didn't grow up to be a murdering rapist now did I? on the contrary, that only resulted in a smarter, more prepared individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batosi07 Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 I don't mind the censorship as much. If it is a show that i am concerned about the "purity" of im not going to be watching it in english in the first place. In a lot of shows there is a lot lost in translation. Probably more is lost in translation than in the edits in a lot of cases. Sometimes the censorship does seem a little silly but you need to know who the target audience is. If a company is editing a TV show to show to 12 year olds, it has to be appropriate wouldn't want my (hypothetical) 10-12 year-old watching the unedited version of yugioh . (I don't have any kids) As Koby said the company is called 4Kids. This is because they make shows 4 kids. If I think that a company is babying a show I'll watch a different version... i.e the japanese subs.I do also agree with a7, I actually think that yugioh turned out better with the edits. This is a rare occurrence but i liked the mystery of the shadow realm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasoivc Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Animes shouldn't be censored in my own opinion because it affects the original art work/drawing and did I mention that it really frustrates me whenever I watch Censored anime because it is INCOMPLETE in some sense if you feel me.I strongly agree apr. It definitely feels incomplete, and in some cases they cut out entire scenes and such to meet standards. This is kind of an additional reason as to why I wait for completely aired anime series to finish production before I go about and watch them myself.Though Koby also has a point, 4Kids does seem to censor it only to keep the ratings down; that is perfectly reasonable though. I honestly haven't been watching Saturday Cartoons/Anime in such a long time though.Overall censoring usually seems to be minimal, but I believe it does affect overall meaning of something. I believe HoTD has a so called "Censored" version but it's mostly reduced blood and less fanservice? That's what I consider minimal, but if it were drastic as in - no blood and erased scenes, then I would be concerned and probably angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hicks Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Doesn't 4Kids also brag about how the kids won't even be able to tell a show is from Japan by the time they're done with it, though? That seems like it's going further than just trying to keep the rating down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malyssa Rahl Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Objectively I understand why they do censor anime. Though they are intended for a slightly more mature audience than the standard cartoons we all know and love, they are still directed toward the young crowd. Which, to american media producers means "Cut out any sex, drugs, or extreme violence." Even some anime that never made it on TV, but was released on DVD here ended up with some terrible censoring. Take Guyver for example, in one episode, one of the female characters gets her clothes ripped off. In the japanese version, you can clearly see that she is naked for a split second, in the english version, they cut out the entire camera pan that showed it. (Both versions are on the DVD, but if you have it on english audio, you miss the titties)So in short, I believe that censorship is bad, and only causes children to seek alternative sources of entertainment because their cartoons suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronos 117 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 channels such as Disney which took Shippuden should not start airing if they plan on censoring them to the point that it looks like a childrens show for example Disneys version of Shippuden changed the name of the Sexy jutsu to Cutey jutsu and whenever anyone gets stabbed by a kunai not one drop of blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batosi07 Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 channels such as Disney which took Shippuden should not start airing if they plan on censoring them to the point that it looks like a childrens show for example Disneys version of Shippuden changed the name of the Sexy jutsu to Cutey jutsu and whenever anyone gets stabbed by a kunai not one drop of blood.I completely disagree. If Disney spends the money they have the right to do whatever they want they want. The american economy is very simple. If something sells people will keep making it. I'm not saying censorship is a good thing. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. But if you don't like what a company has done to an anime then there is a simple solution, don't watch that version. There is always the original version. Even if you don't want to download anime (and I know people that refuse to) then you jus't need to google. I.E a lot of people complaining about yu-gi-oh so here you go, I found this in less than 5 seconds with google.http://www.amazon.com/Yu-Gi-Oh-Vol-Shadow-Games-Uncut/dp/B0002Y4SKC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koby Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 channels such as Disney which took Shippuden should not start airing if they plan on censoring them to the point that it looks like a childrens show for example Disneys version of Shippuden changed the name of the Sexy jutsu to Cutey jutsu and whenever anyone gets stabbed by a kunai not one drop of blood.Just be happy that it even got licensed for TV airing. After that fail 89+ filler arc in the original Adult Swim did not want it back. So it was pretty much Disney, Nicktoons, or 4kids. So remember it could always have been worse. Remember Popo from DBZ? 4kids made him blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
failtown Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 I think that if it's going to be censored it should be censored for kids especially if it's going to be shown on a kids tv station, and that there should be an uncensored one for adults. But you can only buy it if you have an id otherwise I don't think that you should be able to buy them!Wouldn't that be to expensive? having to pay voice actors twice and getting the restrictions in place etc.. I think that it completely comes down to the parents saying "you can't watch that" so in my opinion they should leave it as it's made in japan. (I however watch subbed online for all anime so it doesn't really effect me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domon1987 Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 I agree there is a difference in censoring between western & eastern culture, but something like censoring body parts on a woman... If your already going to show a woman's breast and her nipples, but then blur out her vagina... u may as well going ahead and blur out her chest and then rate t for teen. but if you are going to show something may as well show everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avith Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 I vote a hell no to any and all censorship.Censorship is for those too sensitive, or ignorant for the reality of the world. I don't belive in censoring, or in offensive material. People choose to be offended and the ignorant should learn imo.If there is something you don't like due to its nature or theme, simply DO NOT WATCH IT. You didn't have see or here the material you do not like, if you didn't watch it. Also that brings down ratings and the show will likely be canceled if enough people stop watching.As for kids, parents should better supervise them. Also channels can be blocked in these days.For me ... I am not offended by swearing, drug abuse, blood/violence, or sex/nudity. Actually, I perfer that stuff. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkdude Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 Just be happy that it even got licensed for TV airing. After that fail 89+ filler arc in the original Adult Swim did not want it back. So it was pretty much Disney, Nicktoons, or 4kids. So remember it could always have been worse. Remember Popo from DBZ? 4kids made him blue.Blue Popo? I've got to see this...No, but in all seriousness, I don't mind censorship too much. There's a limit, but I think there's also an amount that's fair to do. There's definitely something to be said for "ignorance is bliss" too. I mean, at least at the time, I thought nothing of the Yugioh "shadow realm" thing. I just went with it and enjoyed it. Along the same lines, there's an episode in one of my favorite series (Gurren Lagann) that I've watched countless times, then finally got my hands on an uncut version, and, well, all the times I'd seen it before it was butchered to hell. But I didn't know, so I enjoyed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowtheman Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 I strongly agree apr. It definitely feels incomplete, and in some cases they cut out entire scenes and such to meet standards. This is kind of an additional reason as to why I wait for completely aired anime series to finish production before I go about and watch them myself.Though Koby also has a point, 4Kids does seem to censor it only to keep the ratings down; that is perfectly reasonable though. I honestly haven't been watching Saturday Cartoons/Anime in such a long time though.Overall censoring usually seems to be minimal, but I believe it does affect overall meaning of something. I believe HoTD has a so called "Censored" version but it's mostly reduced blood and less fanservice? That's what I consider minimal, but if it were drastic as in - no blood and erased scenes, then I would be concerned and probably angry.To true. Usually in dubs they censor things not just due to the nature of the original content but to also "fix" things for there target audience. Now a days 90% of one pieces audience are actually adults. While in America its still for kids. Or at least by Funimations and 4kids standards goes. So they censored and changed things to suit what they think the audience wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInnocence Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 I personally agree that censoring is dumb because half of the animes they turn into childrens shows are meant for older audiences like sailor moon for example the original japanese story has usagi almost getting stabbed by a broken beer bottle which they completely removed from the dub, and sailor moon is supposed to be geared towards teenage girls. I also dislike how some of the american dubs change things that are culturally significant to the japanese like in digimon tamers episode 31 when they introduce orochimon, it just ticks me off that they changed sake to milkshakes, like children are going to know what sake is i highly doubt that and if parents don't approve then they don't have to let their children watch it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akabanevii Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 Humans are so coddled these days it's sickening. I don't mean to say that your weak or anything disrespectful but what happened to the days when we could see everything and say anything. Now if you do anything and one person says "OMG that bothered me!" it becomes a scandal. Go play in the mud. Throw rocks at each other, don't go crying to mama or your teacher because that kid over there says the word sh!t and it "bothered" you. stand up for yourself and kick his butt if it "bothered" you that much haha.(This isn't directed at anyone in particular, just the coddled generation.) TL;DR : Censoring shouldn't exist, just the age discretion warning so you don't accidentally buy a hentai for your 10 year old child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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