Harry-Potter Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 The European Union has decided that it has had enough of the American management of the worldwide web. Europe will push for diminished influence of the United States on Internet governance, claiming that it lost confidence in the US-centric model. European Union issued a draft policy paper, which would propose a series of steps to globalize Internet governance functions and get the United States out of it. Apparently, America has only itself to blame, because it started to believe that it ruled the world and could spy on everyone. In the meantime, the recent spying scandal has made Brussels believe that it would be better off having someone more reliable running the Internet.According to the draft paper, large-scale surveillance and intelligence activities by the United States have caused a loss of confidence in both the Internet and its present governance arrangements.The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, located in California, in currently responsible for overseeing Internet governance, including the assignment of top-level domains. The government of the United States and ICANN have a long-standing operating agreement, but this arrangement has been questioned by many countries in recent years.A number of governments all over the world, including Brazil, China and Russia, have called for more international governance of the worldwide web in recent years. Moreover, after last year’s revelations about broad NSA surveillance programs, Brazil has even suggested to wall off its Internet traffic from American networks. However, the experts can only propose a world standard Internet controlled away from the United States. Eventually the country would have to buy into it, otherwise it would be cut off from the rest of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanis Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 "Brazil, China and Russia" Those really aren't the nations I want controlling the net, at all, ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranma-kun Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 America built the internet and made it what it is today. I don't imagine the US government is about to hand its keys over to the EU, Russia, or China regardless of what they think on the issue. All they are going to do is wind up dividing the internet but most of the corporations who run the internet as it stands are based in America. In the end they will just risk losing access to vital functions it provides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlarePhoenix Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 America didnt build the internet, they just assume it was theirs. Besides if they do divide the internet, 100% guaranteed we will see more blackouts and blocked isp from sites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanis Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 America didnt build the internet, they just assume it was theirs. Besides if they do divide the internet, 100% guaranteed we will see more blackouts and blocked isp from sites. Uh...actually...they did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFlower Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Let me guess: Tanis and Ranma-kun are from the US... I don't know about you guys, but I read the original article (not this one) as saying that they should 'create European services so the citizens data does not have to go through the US, and subsequently, the NSA'. Which is a bloody good idea if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
professa X Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Well i think that an internet is exactly a inter weaved network. The fact that one nation will try to "monopolize" it and control it is just wrong. Originally the internet was a military project true. But the internet to day is not that entirely atleast not obviously. What the internet is to day is a by-product of all nations. So for the US Gov to censor the world is just them living up to their Roosevelt world police policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanis Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 (edited) Let me guess: Tanis and Ranma-kun are from the US...I don't know about you guys, but I read the original article (not this one) as saying that they should 'create European services so the citizens data does not have to go through the US, and subsequently, the NSA'. Which is a bloody good idea if you ask me.Let me guess: You've never cracked open a history book. The Internet WAS created by the US government. I'm not arguing the net shouldn't be more free, or that the US gov't should be less involved. But I wouldn't want ANY control going to nations like Russia and China whose human rights and freedom of speech recorded are so horrific they make anything the current US gov't do look like a kindergartners' prank. Edited February 26, 2014 by Tanis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFlower Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 This isn't about who created what. It's about spying. It's about protecting the rights of human beings. The US (more directly: the NSA) is not respecting those rights, therefore steps need to be taken to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranma-kun Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 This isn't about who created what. It's about spying. It's about protecting the rights of human beings. The US (more directly: the NSA) is not respecting those rights, therefore steps need to be taken to do so. The only steps that could be taken would result in further dividing the internet but its really like trying to cut water with a butter knife. The EU could wall itself off like China has done, try to create alternatives to American websites and services but in the end its alot of money and work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFlower Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 The services are limited to communications. Things such as email and instant messaging. Those types of things are easily kept in a closed network. P.S. This article isn't very accurate. Read it at The Register. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyo joe Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 Let's be blunt: Russia or China can't be trusted not to have internet surveillance as it is, the United States just got red-handed caught at it. Germany is whispering in France's ears; France will have to take the lead on an EU based data network.Somebody has to, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranma-kun Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 I don't think you can trust anyone to keep their hands out of the cookie jar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick1109 Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 Lets see..... Brazil hates the USA China thinks the Internet should be censored and resents the USA for dissagreeing. and Russia is pissed at the USA becuase of the $nowden Leaks (and probably still upset about their part in the USSR after the Cold War). So how about a legitimate complaint from an Impartial Country? Although, then again, after the N$@ histeria, that might be hard to find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyo joe Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 (edited) Lets see..... Brazil hates the USA China thinks the Internet should be censored and resents the USA for dissagreeing. and Russia is pissed at the USA becuase of the $nowden Leaks (and probably still upset about their part in the USSR after the Cold War). So how about a legitimate complaint from an Impartial Country? Although, then again, after the N$@ histeria, that might be hard to find. All states (i shall refer to countries as states for those of you in the United States of America ) are sovereign and equal, but some states are more equal than others. Who could be trusted?? Maybe France could bring back Minitel and expand on it... Edited February 27, 2014 by tokyo joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanis Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 I think it would be best if we treated the internet like we do the moon. NOBODY can lay claim to any part of it. Keep the net free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlarePhoenix Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 I concur with you there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyo joe Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 The net was never free. Someone owns the physical hardware the net is composed of. For that matter, nothing is free. The Snowden leaks illustrated that the net is NOT free. My point is that the E.U. is going to have to build their internet from the ground up, control it, and regulate access to it if they are to protect their communications from the United States and the United Kingdom (and Russia and China). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick1109 Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Lets see..... Brazil hates the USA China thinks the Internet should be censored and resents the USA for dissagreeing. and Russia is pissed at the USA becuase of the $nowden Leaks (and probably still upset about their part in the USSR after the Cold War). So how about a legitimate complaint from an Impartial Country? Although, then again, after the N$@ histeria, that might be hard to find. All states (i shall refer to countries as states for those of you in the United States of America ) are sovereign and equal, but some states are more equal than others. Who could be trusted?? Maybe France could bring back Minitel and expand on it... No Country can really be trusted. Every Country that has the abilty to Spy, Will Spy. The USA just happpened to get Outed recently. So did the UK with tapping into International Communication lines, as well as Russia with downloading all Yahoo Messenger Video chat sessions. Everybody is looking out for their own best interest and trying to monitor everyone else. That is not going to change. Its just not something anyone regularly talks about. So if you give any one country that power, they will abuse it. There needs to be a Multi-Country organization formed that shares responsibilities and a System of Checks and Balances in place so that everyone is so far up eachother's @$$es that they barely have room to breath let alone steal and harbor information. If that doesnt work ........... just put Canada in Charge. I have always viewed them as mostly harmless, lol. Do they even have a major military force? I figured they just mind their own business and enjoy the protection they get from sharing a continent with the USA. Just Kidding ................. well, sort of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxsen Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 So the United Nations of the Internet then.Some how I don't think that's going to work. Someone will always complain that one group or another has more power/control than that group would like over the system. So the same problems just framed slightly differently.The fact that the UN has difficulty doing things in the world is due to the opposition of key members with the UN security council. So due the nature of the internet being the fast evolving thing that it is. It would be a bad idea to join it with a very slow moving organization such as the UN. Nothing would get done. Ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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