Is the "No Used Games" policy true about the 3rd Gen consoles true?!

[sensuji]

I'm sure everyone's heard that the PS4 (or whatever they're calling it) and the Xbox 720 have rumors on a no used game policy. Gamers would have to pay a fee for the used game to work online. This would destroy companies like Gamestop (which I personally don't care for) and choke a huge part of the gaming culture.

The more I read these rumors the more I think it will actually be put forward.

What do you guys think?

[Legado]

If both xbox and PS new console turn out to be true about the rumors... i would only buy with Nintendo new console, but idk if Nintendo will be doing the same. Hopefully they won’t...

[sensuji]

They're definitely in on each other. I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo did the same if the rumors are true.

[minigorbi]

I really hope this turns out to be only rumors. Unless they want to kill the distribution of games on disks, this would seem stupid. It definitively puts me off the thought of buying a new console.

[ka561668]

I think they would all lose business cause sometimes a person can only get the game used because they stopped making the game. Also if they did that, that wouldn't be a very good incentive for them to attract new people. All in all, a really bad idea.

[Locogato]

This is upsetting to me because I like to find games that interest me that are old and play through them again. If these rumors are true GameStop will definitely be hurt a lot. I know that's where I buy all my used games.

[lemmingllama]

I can see this happening... With all the new cloud storage and anti-piracy stuff thats going around, I doubt that they will allow game sharing. So if you havent thought of this yet, this policy would also mean that you couldnt just bring a game over to your friend and let him borrow it, since he wouldnt have a code. Of course, there will always be jailbreaks that will allow you to play offline and you wouldnt need codes, so really we will just have to wait until they annouce this to be true or not

[† ballard]

I'm pretty sure it is true. In a small way Sony is already doing something similar to this with the playstation vita. I know that game developers would be in favor of this because it would mean more sales for them. If you have to buy the rights to play a used game it puts money in the console developers pockets and the game developers, so it's a win win situation for both of them. However, I see this as a potentially harmful thing to the gaming industry since if I'm not sure about a game I will usually borrow it from a friend to test it out then I buy it. If I can't try it out first I'm not willing to risk $60 for a game I might not like. Which in turn will make them lose a sale... I know a lot of people that are the same way. I feel they should think this whole situation through very carefully before making any major decisions, because it could make or break their console for a lot of consumers. With this being said I agree with what Lemming said. Only time will tell if this is true or not.

[Koby]

If they're making money on used sales, they should be able to lower prices of the games when they're new and still come out rich. Problem is, they aren't concerned with becoming rich, they just want absolutely every penny possible to become rich rich rich. They're mad because they aren't making anything off used sales. The thing is, they've already made money off that copy of the game at the time it was new. So pretty much they're trying to make money multiple times off the same product. If I buy a computer from say Dell, and then I sale that computer 5 years later, should the people I sold the computer to be expected to pay Dell a fee on top of that to be able to use that computer? That's just completely stupid and so is this policy game developers want to do that makes it so you have to pay to connect used games.

[† ballard]

If they're making money on used sales, they should be able to lower prices of the games when they're new and still come out rich.

I agree with this completely. I'm sure they would be making massive amounts of money from used game sales if this were to happen. Unfortunately they only see it as another way of pocketing money for themselves...

On another note, I read awhile back that Microsoft wants to get rid of optical drives all together. They also want to make it so that with the next xbox you have to be connected to the internet at all times which could be a bit of a pain if it goes out for whatever reason. If this is true used games would be the least of any ones worries since there wouldn't be any game discs to go around. I personally don't like the idea of only being able to own a digital copy of a game.

[Kasoivc]

That's probably THE most obnoxious thing they could possibly do, require a consistent internet connection to even operate the console? Completely bull. That's like saying I can't use my laptop to do anything unless I have a hard wire connection or even a WiFi signal; which is false. I can still play games on my laptop, write essays, and look at previously downloaded materials.

I would not support a system that requires a internet connection because that's just completely silly. Some people in the States don't even have basic desktop computers, let alone internet connections. My money would gladly go somewhere else.

[DarkDream787]

I never cared to even play my games online so the policy wont bother me any.

I grew up on an NES and a Sega Genesis before alot of people knew what the internet even was since it wasnt common at all when I was younger. I didnt hear of, or have access to dial up internet untill about Windows 98-2000 when AOL 4.0 free trial discs started coming out and being advertised on TV.

I can so live without playing online if that so called rumor ended up happening.

Ive never even been able to play my consoles online.

I never cared to get a PS3 or XBox because I dont play games as much as I used to 6 years ago and earlier. Back then, I could play for 6-14 hours a day easily.

I realize some games experience is more fun when played online and that its becoming more and more popular for games to be played online but since I havent been addicted to it, or really gotten into it. Like I said earlier, it wouldnt bother me one bit. My favorite console is still my modded PS2. I can play just about any game system (except newer ones like PS3 XBox and Wii) and play any game for those with just my PS2 and PSP.

I can play practically everything using my PC thanks to Emulators+ROM's and USB to Game console controller plugins so I have joypad use if I want.

I could just play online with emulators when they get around to making some working ones for the newer systems, if I even cared to.

I personally think, if they really are going to do what that rumor says, then they have become money grabbers and care about their income more than the players. Their income is getting too low for their liking because of competitors and the ease of being able to play copied games for free.

As long as the fee is only something like a dollar or so I dont see why everyone should be worried, its when they want half of the games original price as the fee that I would get pissed if I were all of you not wanting this to happen.

[Koby]

I never cared to even play my games online so the policy wont bother me any.

They're actually discussing making ALL games, whether having any online playability or not, require an internet connection to play them at all. So yes, this policy WOULD effect even you. As for the fee, it currently seems like it'll end up being $10 to $15 at the moment for used games to be able to be played.

Though they're also discussing doing away with discs and going to pure 'Cloud' gaming. Which would require you to always be connected online to play any game as you never actually own the game, you just pay for the right to stream it to your console.

[† ballard]

Though they're also discussing doing away with discs and going to pure 'Cloud' gaming. Which would require you to always be connected online to play any game as you never actually own the game, you just pay for the right to stream it to your console.

I mentioned this a couple posts up. I personally hate the idea of games I buy being bound to this cloud based system. There are several reasons why I don't like it... some are way too deep to get into, but one situation is that if the console fails or the company fails what happens to my games? Something I like about previous consoles is that even though they are no longer being made I can still buy used games for them and play them at my leisure. If their systems go down for any period of time I can't play any of my games. Look at when the playstation network was down for all that time... if the cloud system was in use then millions of people would have lost access to the games they bought. Hopefully Nintendo and Sony are smart enough to not go this route. I know for a fact that I will be staying as far away from the new xbox as possible if this does indeed happen.

[DarkDream787]

They're actually discussing making ALL games, whether having any online playability or not, require an internet connection to play them at all. So yes, this policy WOULD effect even you. As for the fee, it currently seems like it'll end up being $10 to $15 at the moment for used games to be able to be played.

Though they're also discussing doing away with discs and going to pure 'Cloud' gaming. Which would require you to always be connected online to play any game as you never actually own the game, you just pay for the right to stream it to your console.

I dont see how the hell this is going to apply to me like you say. I dont even have or want a PS3 or Xbox 360. and you know systems can be modded, that shit wont stop pro modders like me if I wanted to play offline.

[Koby]

I dont see how the hell this is going to apply to me like you say. I dont even have or want a PS3 or Xbox 360. and you know systems can be modded, that shit wont stop pro modders like me if I wanted to play offline.

I don't think you understand, if it went strictly Cloud gaming you'd have absolutely no way of connecting to the game other than having an internet connection. You wouldn't have the game period except by streaming, which means you'll have to stay connected because you don't actually download/install the game nor would you own a hard copy or have a way of copying the game.

Mod your console all you want, but if it goes Cloud gaming, there isn't much you can do about it.

We're not even talking about current gen consoles, we're talking about the new next gen.

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But yes, for the simple discs version consoles that might require to pay to use a used game, there might be ways to mod your console around that. However, modding consoles is illegal, and also a modded console is forever banned from the online community. So essentially you're voiding your warranty and voiding you're right to access online games via it just so you can cheat your way into playing used games. The negatives of doing that outweigh the benefit if you ask me. Especially considering already close to 80% of all games for the current consoles have some sort of online capability. Many of which the main reason for playing said game would be for the online play to start with. So by modding your console you'd be cutting yourself out of the ability to play the majority of games these days. The only way I could see someone wanting to mod their console is if they owned more than one.

Besides, I don't think you understood the fact that you'd be modding your console to get around it, would in fact mean it did in fact affect you to start with. If it hadn't, then you wouldn't have been needing to mod your console to bypass it.

[Kasoivc]

I mentioned this a couple posts up. I personally hate the idea of games I buy being bound to this cloud based system. There are several reasons why I don't like it... some are way too deep to get into, but one situation is that if the console fails or the company fails what happens to my games? Something I like about previous consoles is that even though they are no longer being made I can still buy used games for them and play them at my leisure. If their systems go down for any period of time I can't play any of my games. Look at when the playstation network was down for all that time... if the cloud system was in use then millions of people would have lost access to the games they bought. Hopefully Nintendo and Sony are smart enough to not go this route. I know for a fact that I will be staying as far away from the new xbox as possible if this does indeed happen.

This is just completely silly imho. Doing away completely with physical discs/formats is trash. This is not the way of a video game collector like me. My brother and I still own all of our original SNES games; including mint condition manuals and boxes. To not have a physical copy is absurd in my opinion. There is absolutely no need to charge $60+Tax for a digital stream; even then, I will need one hell of a damn good internet service provider to give me the bandwidth I need to do such a stupid thing. The prices they charge for digital downloads of games on Xbox Live are even more obnoxious. I can pay the same price or even less for a used or new copy of a game at Gamestop or a local pawnshop. I might just become a permanent PC gamer if things get to that point, because there's just no logic in that at all.

I dont see how the hell this is going to apply to me like you say. I dont even have or want a PS3 or Xbox 360. and you know systems can be modded, that shit wont stop pro modders like me if I wanted to play offline.

Pro modder or not, you still need someone to come up with the mod. If it were as easy as it used to be (installing a chip via soldering) and burning the games to a blank CD then this wouldn't be a problem; but once other factors come into play, things get to becoming complicated very quickly for the person developing these workarounds.

[Legado]

Seriously tho if all three consoles do this then, I prolly have to buy a computer just for gaming purpose because im pretty sure there be an emulator to play the new games...

[† ballard]

This is just completely silly imho. Doing away completely with physical discs/formats is trash. This is not the way of a video game collector like me. My brother and I still own all of our original SNES games; including mint condition manuals and boxes. To not have a physical copy is absurd in my opinion. There is absolutely no need to charge $60+Tax for a digital stream; [...] I might just become a permanent PC gamer if things get to that point, because there's just no logic in that at all.

I know how you feel. I collect games as well. I don't like the idea of not having a physical copy of it. I've always felt that it was too risky. As far as pricing goes, I definitely think they should drop it down some since they would no longer need to be paying to have them packaged and what not. PC gaming has it's own drawbacks to go along with this. I'm sure if this were to happen it would only be a matter of time before it effected pc gamers to an even greater extent than it already has. Look at steam as an example. Newer services such as on live are already doing game streams. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if consoles went in the same direction.

[† Anras Rune]

this is already in effect guys. Ubisoft has been doing it since assassins creed revelations came out, and the bastards gave the idea to sony. To play assassin's creed online you need a pass. But to play it with another profile (even on the same fucking console!) you have to buy an "Online Pass". Costs 800 to 1600 micro points, and anywhere between 2 to 10 dollars on PSN. The bastards are acting the fool. They see what hollywood has done with their lobbying and the likes and decided that this is a good idea. Sony has a lot to answer for....pushing for something like this.