Corporal punishment in Schools

[xNoName]

So, what do you think? I know that this sort of thing is banned in most of the countries, but it doesn't mean it's eradicated completely. The country where I come from has banned this act, but is the ban really needed? I mean, there are some dweebs who need to be punished. If the kid doesn't understand the incident by humanness and kindness, then why is it bad to use force? I don't see the point.

Discuss.

[Dan Den]

I say beat the crap out of those kids. In today's time these teens *even though I'm one* think jus cause the teachers/parents can't beat them they can do as they please, they think oh I get grounded in my house where I have videos games and internet.

When I was in the first grade my teachers would kane the hell out of us in fact sometimes they would say "go cut a bamboo stick" and then they would beat the hell out of me with it and I learnt the difference between right and wrong but when I changed schools here there was no such thnig as corporal punishment and the kids acted like is there given right to do as they with with no consequence.

[seirachan]

Id say it's up to the parents to punish their kids, Hitting involved. But every parent must know there is a fine line between punishment and abuse, I got abused, But sometimes, only when needed you gotta bring out the belt. Just clanking the belt is enough to get the kid to stop sometimes. Now my dad was bad and just beat the hell out of all his kids, didn't matter how little or big the problem was. It was stupid. Parents just gotta keep in mind there is a line between abuse and punishment.

I also find it really dumb how parents think they are not allowed to use the belt. There are also people that shun you for it saying you are abusing your child and need to go to jail. There is simply a line.

On corporal punishment, it can easily go wrong. The trust should be placed into the parents instead. It's basically like the parents are too lazy to discipline the kid themselves so they get other people to do it for them. Which I myself would not trust them.

[Catwoman]

I'm completely against the idea. You have teachers who would just take advantage and some situations just can't be avoided. It's best for the parents to make the choice. A spank on the arse is the furthest I would ever go. If a teacher harmed my child, I wouldn't care what the reason was, I'd take them to court or set their house on fire. I'd be very pissed. That being said, on a more logical note, I agree with Seira.

[Koby]

I only got beat in school once. It was first grade. This boy tore up a book when the teacher left the room and then blamed it on me. The principal wouldn't listen and he spanked me with this huge ass paddle several times. When I got home I told my mom and she went up there and punched him in the face and enrolled me in a different school.

[Dan Den]

Oh Riona I can tell you this if all you got was a spanking then you grew p in a nice place with too many rights cause some of us a spanking was like giving you candy compared to what happened.

I also find it really dumb how parents think they are not allowed to use the belt. There are also people that shun you for it saying you are abusing your child and need to go to jail. There is simply a line.

On corporal punishment, it can easily go wrong. The trust should be placed into the parents instead. It's basically like the parents are too lazy to discipline the kid themselves so they get other people to do it for them. Which I myself would not trust them.

I could not agree with you any more, it is the parents right to discipline the child when they have done wrong but you are right there is a fine line between discipline and abuse, my teachers used to beat the hell out of me and believe me beat is an understatement and to top it all of I was only six at the time and they would freaking cane me with a bamboo stick till it broke and if you cried they did it all over again.

Yeah parents are getting lazy I'm mean if your kid does something wrong the only way to teach them a lesson is to cane them then they won't do it again. And if your kid reports you to the police tell them "who's going to take care of you when I'm in jail".

[Catwoman]

I said it was the furthest I would ever go.

I never said that was all I got when growing up.

I never said where I lived was a nice place either.

[Manifesto]

Oh Riona I can tell you this if all you got was a spanking then you grew p in a nice place with too many rights cause some of us a spanking was like giving you candy compared to what happened.

I could not agree with you any more, it is the parents right to discipline the child when they have done wrong but you are right there is a fine line between discipline and abuse, my teachers used to beat the hell out of me and believe me beat is an understatement and to top it all of I was only six at the time and they would freaking cane me with a bamboo stick till it broke and if you cried they did it all over again.

Yeah parents are getting lazy I'm mean if your kid does something wrong the only way to teach them a lesson is to cane them then they won't do it again. And if your kid reports you to the police tell them "who's going to take care of you when I'm in jail".

That is such a backward way of thinking, sorry but it is...if you can't discipline your child without using force you are bad parent, and you need to learn how to teach your child whats wrong and right without using force, that's just my opinion.

Also punishing children in school physically is out of the question...

[DrumRoll]

Bring back the bad-facial-hair-definitely-some-sort-of-pedophile-cane-wielding-headmaster!

[idl12]

I support it, I grew up with it for a large part of my school life.(It was only banned a few years ago) and while it was around schools were safer and more disciplined, now almost everyday all you hear about is gang violence in schools, stabbings, rape, hell students are murdering each other and cussing at the teachers like it ain't nothing, sure it hurts(I know cuz I got whacked by jagged branches almost everyday) and it's crude, but it works. Though I guess other countries aren't as bad as ours so it may be different for others.

[Dan Den]

I support it, I grew up with it for a large part of my school life.(It was only banned a few years ago) and while it was around schools were safer and more disciplined, now almost everyday all you hear about is gang violence in schools, stabbings, rape, hell students are murdering each other and cussing at the teachers like it ain't nothing, sure it hurts(I know cuz I got whacked by jagged branches almost everyday) and it's crude, but it works. Though I guess other countries aren't as bad as ours so it may be different for others.

Ah that sound exactly like what my school was like and what my new school looks like although it's not that bad but yeah your right it might hurt but the end result is worth it cause then you won't have this teens going around thinking they can do as they wish and only get something as menial as detention after school, so cane the demons out of those bastards.

[Manifesto]

I just see it as wrong it's the same as the Police beating criminals it should be illegal everywhere.

[Catwoman]

I was brought up to fight back so if a teacher hit me, their face would meet my fist.

Fear is not discipline.

[idl12]

I just see it as wrong it's the same as the Police beating criminals it should be illegal everywhere.

Yeah cuz police shouldn't beat rapists, theives and murderers, that's just taking advantage of a poor peace loving human being.

Fear is not discipline.

It's not, but it's the closest thing to discipline that human's can possibly achieve.

[tyco]

I'd rather have corporal punishment than having the state forcing people to medicate their children. Nowadays in NY, if a public school teacher can't deal with your child, you either have to get meds for them or face a CPS case:mad:

[Manifesto]

Yeah cuz police shouldn't beat rapists, theives and murderers, that's just taking advantage of a poor peace loving human being.

It's not, but it's the closest thing to discipline that human's can possibly achieve.

No they shouldn't, there is a thing called prison which punishes criminals right ? and there are parents who should bring their children up right so that they don't do shit in school :L

Are you saying violence is the only way to achieve discipline ?

[BlackDahlia]

When I was in elementary school, this happened to kids from time to time. Never happened to me though, so I can't really say from experience. The problem nowadays is that all these dumbasses are becoming parents wayyy too young. This may come off as sexist, but a lot of women nowadays are just not fit to be mothers and do a horrible job. Now this isn't to say men are any better because most men aren't very mature till they hit their late 90s (over-exaggeration). A lot of people like to think they're mature but they really don't have a sense of responsibility for their actions.

The problem is, these young parents don't have the maturity to handle the responsibility of raising a child, punishment becomes lost in the search for a moment of peace and quiet. They'll reward their children for being brats by buying them whatever they want as long as they'll shut up and/or not embarrass them in public. These are all things you have to deal with as a parent that far too many people cannot handle.

So to put it bluntly, I think nowadays corporal punishment can be more effective than in the past as long as it was just. It would definitely give me more hope for the future lol

Now there were a few people here that said if their child was hit in school, you would go up there and be physical. This is exactly what I mean about not being able to handle the responsibility of being a parent. There is nothing wrong with standing up for your child but all you're really doing is showing your child that they can get away with it. The correct action would be to go and talk to the appropriate school staff. If your child got a beating, there is a HIGH probability they were acting up. When you hear your child's side of the story, there is a HIGH chance it will be overly exaggerated. Kids will be kids, after all. This is something that is constantly a problem with my older sister. The school her son is at does a lot of things that she has every right to be mad about, but the way she handles it, I just don't understand how she is expecting change.

Oh, one last note. If you're a white girl in high school, I have a bit of advice: do NOT date a Mexican. Chances of you ending up pregnant is 100%

[idl12]

No they shouldn't, there is a thing called prison which punishes criminals right ? and there are parents who should bring their children up right so that they don't do shit in school :L

Are you saying violence is the only way to achieve discipline ?

I'm not saying violence is the only way to achieve discipline, I'm saying that criminals should get their skulls bashed in by police, anyone who lives in a crime riddled place may think this and honestly, when was the last time the so called "punishment" that is prison has ever reformed anybody? fear of serious bodily harm has always done a better job at that, the same thing applies to children and as for your comment on parents bringing their children up right, look around, see just how "wonderful" most kids are turning out without corporal punishment in schools. Though I guess I'm just thinking about my country and surroundings, I have no idea how things are in other places.

[seirachan]

That is such a backward way of thinking, sorry but it is...if you can't discipline your child without using force you are bad parent, and you need to learn how to teach your child whats wrong and right without using force, that's just my opinion.

Also punishing children in school physically is out of the question...

Well I'm not telling you out right to think this way but I've seen kids and I've been a kid... Sometimes they DO NOT listen at all... It's doesn't matter if your ground them, yell at them or talk to them. You should not beat your kid all of the time of course however children get out of hand and they do not learn sometimes by just words alone. Some kids that don't get disciplined end up as pretty bad people. Being a parent is a pretty big responsibility. I doubt anyone wants to be the mother or father of a rapist or murder.

I was an evil child, I dropped a cat on my brother while he was in the bath. I took a beating after that. But always try talking first.

and I still don't really agree with the schools doing it lol same as before

[Manifesto]

I agree with you Idl that Corporal punishment might be needed in some countries, but here in Ireland that would be unnecessary, so yeah I have no idea what kind of things teens can do to deserve it anyway.