KaoclazmMJR Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 The First Hokage is the strongest of all shinobi.. No doubt about it...nowhere near as strong as your avatar tho lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leviathan Posted April 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Gara. No contest.We are talking about HOKAGES here. Don't bring in other Kages such as the Kazekage. And you consider Gaara as the strongest Kage? OMG, if anything, he is the weakest Kage that ever lived in the Naruto univerese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 I think 1'st is the strongest because how madara speaks of him as being the most powerful shinobi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaoclazmMJR Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 We are talking about HOKAGES here. Don't bring in other Kages such as the Kazekage. And you consider Gaara as the strongest Kage? OMG, if anything, he is the weakest Kage that ever lived in the Naruto univerese.haha that's for sure lol Your way of viewing power is correct in terms of physics. But the word power has different meanings. But let's not talk about it. Let's talk about what u said. You consider power to be brute strength and even gave an equation. But that's not how we view power you know, not at least in fantasy world. Like Saminyt said, power is the sum total of strength, speed, stamina, intelligence, technique and chakra. If someone was to consider someone powerful only because of brute strength then they would say, "Hey you know Tsunade is way more powerful than Jiraya and Orochimru coz she got this awesome brute strength. She can crack huge boulders with a punch while neither Jiraya nor Orochi can do it." This is what they would say. Not only that, they would even consider Sakura stronger than Sasuke because of her awesome strength she inherited from the 5th.Yes Tsunade is way more powerful than Jiraiya and Orochimaru because she is stronger. That dosen't mean that she would defeat either of them in a fight, I'm just saying that by definition she is more 'powerful'. On another note however, she is not more powerful as Jiraiya in sage mode has more brute strength and speed than her as well as much stronger jutsu, so Jiriaya is actually the most powerful of the 3. If you want to talk about skill, intellect, etc then say 'he/she is a more skilled fighter' not 'he/she is more powerful' because you completely disregard the definition of power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leviathan Posted April 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Yes Tsunade is way more powerful than Jiraiya and Orochimaru because she is stronger. That dosen't mean that she would defeat either of them in a fight, I'm just saying that by definition she is more 'powerful'. On another note however, she is not more powerful as Jiraiya in sage mode has more brute strength and speed than her as well as much stronger jutsu, so Jiriaya is actually the most powerful of the 3. If you want to talk about skill, intellect, etc then say 'he/she is a more skilled fighter' not 'he/she is more powerful' because you completely disregard the definition of power.It seems we have different views to how to define power. So no matter what I say, it will never change your mind. You have your own belief and I have mine. Let us not clash these believes, rather find what is common, like the fact that we both belief that the 1st is stronger than the 4th hokage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollow king646 Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 the 4 hokage is the strongest but that is what everyone is saying but then you have the 1st which could control the tailed beasts to an existent so my bet is with the first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blank sentiment Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 As awesome as that video was, it's kind of non-canon, being footage from a game and all. Not to mention to statement we have that Hashirama had his wife, Mito with him. Madara can go on about his great rivalry, but we haven't seen what he was like in life in canon, and he's far beyond where he was then. Not to mention the fact that he didn't see hokage 3-4. Not everything everyone says IU can be taken purely at face value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjacket01 Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 Hashirama Senju is stronger but doesn't mean he'd win the fight though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaoclazmMJR Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 As awesome as that video was, it's kind of non-canon, being footage from a game and all. Not to mention to statement we have that Hashirama had his wife, Mito with him. Madara can go on about his great rivalry, but we haven't seen what he was like in life in canon, and he's far beyond where he was then. Not to mention the fact that he didn't see hokage 3-4. Not everything everyone says IU can be taken purely at face value.When the anime footage for the game was created by and approved by Kishimoto then it pretty much IS cannon. Non-cannon doesn't necessarily mean that it wasn't explicitly shown in the source material (the manga). Something can still be cannon outside of the manga if it is approved by the author (for example if Kishimoto claims that Naruto is stronger than Sasuke then even tho it is not 'cannon' because it is not said in the manga then we must accept it as being true). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xraer Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 No doubt it's Minato, I mean he's way cooler and looks more awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pshybrid95 Posted December 16, 2012 Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 I think the 1st is the strongest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krulbane Posted October 12, 2013 Report Share Posted October 12, 2013 Not a chance for him. Minato only has speed imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonD Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 I dont know who is strongest but i do know the 2nd hokage is real cause of war.I mean he is the founder of d reanimation jutsu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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