JohnFlower Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 There's probably a calculator somewhere, but a 650 watt PSU should be plenty. If you plan to upgrade anything in the future, get an 850 watt PSU. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroPenguins Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Oh if you're planning on quad Crossfire or SLI then get a 1500W PSU! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluerGost Posted July 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 (edited) One other thing I dont get. I was checking AMD/Intel CPU info and in the info AMD got beat Intel on every side. But yet why in the performance wise Intel win in the real world work. I mean Intel shouldn't win even in one core operation but it does. Btw I have no Idea what L2 & L3 cache is.AMD:Frequency: around 4Total L2 Cache: 8MB(1MB per core) L3 Cache:8MB (shared L3) Memory:Up to DDR3 1866 Intel:Frequency: around 3.50 GHzL3 Cache:6MB (shared L3) Memory:Up to DDR3 1600 Oh if you're planning on quad Crossfire or SLI then get a 1500W PSU!I don't have any intention of CF or SLI. Edited July 6, 2014 by bluergost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dae314 Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 You're making the mistake of comparing CPUs by frequency and cache size. Put simply (and therefore a little incorrectly), the amount of "work" that can be done in a single "core" in a single CPU cycle is not the same if you have 2 cores with different architecture. Easy example, AMD uses something called CPU modules. Each module they claim is 2 CPUs because most of the work it does is done as 2 CPUs. However, during certain workloads (specifically floating point work) that 2 CPU module will only work as 1 CPU because the two cores share some components. Intel doesn't do this at all which makes it hard to compare the 2 CPUs by frequency alone. As for cache size there's pros and cons to larger caches. The larger the cache the more likely it will be that the data you want is in there. However, it will also take longer to search the cache. If your data isn't in the cache, you'll have to wait for the whole cache to be searched before going to main memory to fetch the instructions you need. As for maximum memory speed... meh. Most people use 1333MHz DDR3 (as in non-enthusiast-buy-a-dell people). High frequency memory gives you a very small performance boost and shouldn't be your first priority. All of this is covered in the guide. Go with the recommendations you received earlier in the thread, they're good. As for PSU, 650W sounds good. If you're planning to upgrade the graphics card and/or overclock maybe 750W. If you're going for Intel, note that Devil's Canyon CPUs have been getting pretty good reviews. I haven't put these in the guide yet so you'll have to find them yourself. I don't know how much extra they cost over their Haswell counterparts though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkguyver Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 I would get a system with an Intel Processor as they offer superior performance compared to AMD Processors. Sure in the past AMD Processors were superior to Intel's, but recent Intel Multi-Core processors offer supperior performance to AMD's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroPenguins Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 ^The ideal know it all answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFlower Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 ^The ideal know it all answer. Pretty much. I don't bother replying to these users any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluerGost Posted July 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) You're making the mistake of comparing CPUs by frequency and cache size. Put simply (and therefore a little incorrectly), the amount of "work" that can be done in a single "core" in a single CPU cycle is not the same if you have 2 cores with different architecture. Easy example, AMD uses something called CPU modules. Each module they claim is 2 CPUs because most of the work it does is done as 2 CPUs. However, during certain workloads (specifically floating point work) that 2 CPU module will only work as 1 CPU because the two cores share some components. Intel doesn't do this at all which makes it hard to compare the 2 CPUs by frequency alone. As for cache size there's pros and cons to larger caches. The larger the cache the more likely it will be that the data you want is in there. However, it will also take longer to search the cache. If your data isn't in the cache, you'll have to wait for the whole cache to be searched before going to main memory to fetch the instructions you need. As for maximum memory speed... meh. Most people use 1333MHz DDR3 (as in non-enthusiast-buy-a-dell people). High frequency memory gives you a very small performance boost and shouldn't be your first priority.All of this is covered in the guide.Go with the recommendations you received earlier in the thread, they're good.As for PSU, 650W sounds good. If you're planning to upgrade the graphics card and/or overclock maybe 750W. If you're going for Intel, note that Devil's Canyon CPUs have been getting pretty good reviews. I haven't put these in the guide yet so you'll have to find them yourself. I don't know how much extra they cost over their Haswell counterparts though. Thnx . I almost missed Devil's Canyon & it would have been sad if I did. Since i7-4790k is just an awesome processor & the price is about the same as the i7-4770k . But the i5-4690k is not much of an improvement over the Last one. But do u need z97 boards to support Devil's Canyon?? All I know about z97 board is that its for 5th Gen & I used to think Extreme Eddition is 5th Gen now I am not so sure. Since In Extreme Eddition there is also Ivy Bridge-E , Sandy Bridge-E & the one named Haswell-E suppose to be coming soon. So, Do u need 97 boards to support Devil's Canyon which Intel has labelled as 4th gen. Edited July 9, 2014 by bluergost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFlower Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 'z97' is the chipset. You want the socket. Devil's Canyon CPU's use LGA1150, so you want a motherboard that has this socket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluerGost Posted July 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 'z97' is the chipset. You want the socket. Devil's Canyon CPU's use LGA1150, so you want a motherboard that has this socket. If I am not wrong z87 also uses LGA1150 socket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljonesj Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) yeah it does but it depends on if the bios/efi will support the devils canyon chips and also if it does i know someone on youtube took a gigabyte board that was z87 and it cooked the devils canyon chip to 1.5volts which is a no no on a evga z97 its like 1.3 which is normal. i built an amd fx 6300 which is piledriver which is an redone bulldozer chip and it works better than bulldozer Edited July 9, 2014 by ljonesj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluerGost Posted July 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) i know someone on youtube took a gigabyte board that was z87 and it cooked the devils canyon chip to 1.5volts which is a no no on a evga z97 its like 1.3 which is normal Maybe my Eng is terrible but I quite didnt get what u meant. did u mean even if I use z87 board which do support Devil's Canyon it still cant take full advantages of Devil's Canyon. i built an amd fx 6300 which is piledriver which is an redone bulldozer chip and it works better than bulldozer what is piledriver. AFAIK there is no such CPU named bulldozer anymore there is only FX series CPU which uses modified bulldozer architecture. Without avisynth filtering, while using multithreading to utilize all 8 cores my AMD FX-8150 encodes at up to 400fps; that means it encoded an anime episode in less than 40 seconds. Koby I know your CPU is much better than mine. But it shouldn't be 100x better,should it!! I mean when I encode a video the max its getting 10fps & 100% CPU usage. I also tried using MT filter(dont know if it worked or not.).http://minus.com/i/EhxEuWq0L2gK BTW is 2011 socket only for intel Extreme edition?? Also is Extreme edition is a separate CPU category of intel which focuses on maximum performance & Xeon for server ?? Edited July 12, 2014 by bluergost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroPenguins Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Well what Koby said was kinda misleading about FPS. Depends on what type of encoder, what filters, what plugins, etc etc etc For example I can brag I can encode over 500FPS as well using my GPU. As I last recall, Nvidia has dedicated x264 hardware encoder so it should be blazing fast on paper... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFlower Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 I normally average >1fps over 6 cores because fuck progress. Also is Extreme edition is a separate CPU category of intel which focuses on maximum performance & Xeon for server ??Intel Extreme is aimed at high end desktop users that need something to throw money at. It's the final step before going to the more expensive Xeon processors. The Xeon processors are normally reserved for high-end workstations and servers. Keep in mind that AMD also has a server line called Opteron (which I know nothing about because I'm an intel fanboy~). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljonesj Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 the fx chips like the 6100 are bulldozer architecture the fx 6300 is is a evolution upgrade of the bulldozer is called piledriver. depending on the motherboard and the manufacture the z87 maybe able to support the devils canyon intel haswell chips but it can put to much voltage through the chip if they screw something in the bios. so its better to get a z97 board so u can support the devils canyon chip you can put in the z87 based haswels in the z97 and the future broadwells also in the z97 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFlower Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 depending on the motherboard and the manufacture the z87 maybe able to support the devils canyon intel haswell chips but it can put to much voltage through the chip if they screw something in the bios. so its better to get a z97 board so u can support the devils canyon chip you can put in the z87 based haswels in the z97 and the future broadwells also in the z97...The fact that some guy on YouTube fried his CPU by overvolting just happened to have a z87 board means nothing. Any motherboard can overvolt like that; it's a key part of overclocking. I don't know why anyone would be going with the 8 series at this point. If you're buying new, the only option should be the 9 series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koby Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Well what Koby said was kinda misleading about FPS. Depends on what type of encoder, what filters, what plugins, etc etc etc For example I can brag I can encode over 500FPS as well using my GPU. As I last recall, Nvidia has dedicated x264 hardware encoder so it should be blazing fast on paper... Eh, with MeGUI and multithreading with no filters or with handbrake which can multithread by default... Anyhow; with a fully scripted avisynth script full of slow filters and multithreading I get around 35fps. While without multithreading with the same filter script I'd get around 2-4 fps. So it's still a big difference between multithreading and not. There is likely to be faster filters available now then what I use though because I haven't updated stuff in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljonesj Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 depending on the motherboard and the manufacture the z87 maybe able to support the devils canyon intel haswell chips but it can put to much voltage through the chip if they screw something in the bios. so its better to get a z97 board so u can support the devils canyon chip you can put in the z87 based haswels in the z97 and the future broadwells also in the z97...The fact that some guy on YouTube fried his CPU by overvolting just happened to have a z87 board means nothing. Any motherboard can overvolt like that; it's a key part of overclocking.I don't know why anyone would be going with the 8 series at this point. If you're buying new, the only option should be the 9 series. he was testing the f9 bios that added support to that gigabyte board and for some reason it put the voltage and 1.5 and he did not touch anything else it was running all stock settings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluerGost Posted July 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 depending on the motherboard and the manufacture the z87 maybe able to support the devils canyon intel haswell chips but it can put to much voltage through the chip if they screw something in the bios. so its better to get a z97 board so u can support the devils canyon chip you can put in the z87 based haswels in the z97 and the future broadwells also in the z97...The fact that some guy on YouTube fried his CPU by overvolting just happened to have a z87 board means nothing. Any motherboard can overvolt like that; it's a key part of overclocking.I don't know why anyone would be going with the 8 series at this point. If you're buying new, the only option should be the 9 series. I am just clarifying some of the things that was bothering me for sometimes now & which didn't understand just from Manufactured Web Info. If I do manage to buy Devil's Canyon or Haswell I probably will buy MSI Gaming 3 it has only 2 PCI-E but I dont have any plans of Crossfire so... Is there any other MoBoard good other than this within price?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljonesj Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 the devils canyon chip is a haswell refresh chip i would look into gigabyte as ive heard that they help intel with the chipsets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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