Continuation of "Does Anyone Else find Copyright Stupid?"

[RikuoAmero]

For some reason, the original thread is closed, so I just thought I'd continue it here. If a mod wants to merge the two, feel free, would appreciate it.

shadowtheman

About no loss for no competition thing let me put it more easily. Lets just say your a painter and you painted a great portrait. You put it up in a local gallery were people pay to see it. Some one then takes a picture and then begins to show it off. Of course the people who see this won't wanna see the real thing so you lose out. Now lets change this. Lets say that it was a Russian tourist. He takes the pick then goes back home. Then he shows it off. Your gallery isn't in Russia so his showing off your painting doesn't hurt your gallery. Instead it becomes exposure.

The trouble I find with your analogy is that a photo cannot compare to a painting. I mean think about it. Are you saying that if someone were to go to whatever museum it is that holds the Mona Lisa, point their cameraphone at it, take a picture then show it to their friends, that the friends will decide "Oh well, this totally compares to seeing the real thing"? I've seen hundreds of photos of paintings in books, yet I still want to go see the real thing. Plus, reading through your post there...it kinda seems like you're holding two contradictory ideas at the same time. First you say "you lose out", then you go on to say that because the Russian man goes home to Russia, it now becomes "exposure". Which is it?

cam224

We need to keep copyright laws because though a nuasance they are important in regulating the tv market and they also allow tv networks to make money. They do this by selling rights to a show to other companies and then selling the dvds and movies that they have made.

The purpose of copyright law isn't to regulate the TV market. A TV channel has only so many hours of the day in which to broadcast. Someone makes a show and wants to broadcast it at say 9PM, to target adults home from work. Trouble is, there are literally thousands of other shows competing for that time bracket, so the TV channel charges a high price for that slot. Note that this doesn't mention copyright at all. The TV networks are selling a scarcity: time, and thus, don't need a law.

Alegend1994

I believe that there should be a legal way to get the dvd's and blu-ray's that you've bought onto your hard drive for iPod use and as a back-up, but then this would be used to make a profit off of people.

That's something that I absolutely hate about the DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act). It is perfectly legal for you to rip all of your CD's, DVD's, and Blu-rays onto your hard-drives. However, if you happen to break any copy-protection on the disc, THAT'S illegal. It's like owning a room with one locked door: its perfectly legal for you to go in to the room you own, but the only way in is through either performing a complicated series of rituals or simply breaking the lock: however, if you break the lock, you've broken the law.

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If you enjoy watching a certain anime, donate to the companies to help them continue producing that anime

[RikuoAmero]

If you enjoy watching a certain anime, donate to the companies to help them continue producing that anime

One problem with this is, some anime companies may have trigger-happy lawyers. So if I send a donation with a note saying "I pirated your show and loved it so much that I decided to give you some money", the lawyer will use that as a confession in court to wring an exorbitant amount out of me. While I would like to donate, the threat of being sued is just too great.

[Alegend1994]

If I liked the anime enough I go ahead and buy the Blu-ray, unlucky some people use the japanese versions for video since the english dub only released a DVD version and add the english audio. So those are the ones I wish I could donate to the companies cause I still enjoyed the anime but I'm addicted to HD so I can't buy the DVD version.

I use the downloads as a trail for the anime and as a back-up.

[AOIsama]

I don't think Copyrights are stupid.

[runefang]

Copyrights aren't stupid. They protect your works from being stolen and being used for profit by someone else. That's pretty nifty. Stupid is the way the government is dealing with digital content. Lets be realistic. In the past did you ever hear about someone being target by a federal agency because they made someone a mix tape? lolno. Or how about those stereos with dual cassette? Oh snap. That was MADE for copying content legally. All of this assault on digital content is a load. -.-

[fatdad777]

if it was your creation you would feel diffrent

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imagine how much money is lost with out copyright.

think of ice ice baby against queen

[† Talena Mae]

if it was your creation you would feel diffrent

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imagine how much money is lost with out copyright.

think of ice ice baby against queen

if you feel that way, mind if i ask just what are you doing in a forum that has free illegal downloads of anime and manga?

[ragnawind]

Copyrights aren't stupid. They protect your works from being stolen and being used for profit by someone else. That's pretty nifty. Stupid is the way the government is dealing with digital content. Lets be realistic. In the past did you ever hear about someone being target by a federal agency because they made someone a mix tape? lolno. Or how about those stereos with dual cassette? Oh snap. That was MADE for copying content legally. All of this assault on digital content is a load. -.-

That is the problem with copyright. It is designed to protect someone's work, not punish someone for getting it for free. There is also a little problem with their logic on the issue. They might "lose" money, but they might never have received that "lost" money in the first place. Also, there is the fact that it clearly states that it is illegal to make a profit off of someone else's work. That is the key right there. By distributing for free, you are clearly NOT making a profit off of it. The system is broken, though, since they try to sue people and such a lot more often, when copyright is supposed to only be a defense, not an offense. It was created to "protect" people, and never "hurt" anyone.

[RikuoAmero]

Anyone remember when Xmen Origins Wolverine was leaked? As in the unfinished version with no special effects? Well, the guy who did it, got sentenced to a year in prison.

According to

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=wolverine.htm

the movie made $373,062,864 worldwide. Despite the fact it had been leaked, the movie still made a 2:1 ROI. So clearly, there was no harm from the leak. The only possible outcome from this jailing is that more and more people will lose respect for copyright laws, because they see such a harsh punishment for such a small act.

[runefang]

That is the problem with copyright. It is designed to protect someone's work, not punish someone for getting it for free. There is also a little problem with their logic on the issue. They might "lose" money, but they might never have received that "lost" money in the first place. Also, there is the fact that it clearly states that it is illegal to make a profit off of someone else's work. That is the key right there. By distributing for free, you are clearly NOT making a profit off of it. The system is broken, though, since they try to sue people and such a lot more often, when copyright is supposed to only be a defense, not an offense. It was created to "protect" people, and never "hurt" anyone.

See? That's the truth right there. DEFENCE not OFFENCE. Doubt it could have been said better.

Oh, and thank you Metallica, for being sellouts and starting this whole copying is pirating garbage.