Withdrawal from the United Nations

[Phoenix]

Following the end of World War II, the Allied nations feared the potential destructiveness of another conflict, and thus they founded an international forum based on the old League of Nations to resolve conflicts peacefully. As these things tend to become, the United States dominated the United Nations and it became a very useful tool in combating communism during the Cold War. However after the Cold War, the United Nations has betrayed the United States and our allies and there does not appear to be any legitimate reason for us to remain in this failed organization.

The United Nations is almost entirely sustained by the United States, with over 20% of UN funding coming from the American tax payers. Where does most of this money go? Well to pay the UN bureaucrats for starters, and what little money goes to conflict resolution and the aid to developing countries is negligible and has little to no impact on the situation, if not completely hurting these countries. Foreign aid does little more than make the bleeding heart liberals of the West feel good, while they are actually hurting the situation. Foreign aid props up the very tyrannical governments that those who send it are trying to stop ; additionally, it creates a disconnect between the governments and the citizens, by allowing governments to remain in power without the consent or will of the people. I could go on and on about this, but that is not the point of this discussion, perhaps we can discuss the failures of foreign aid another time. To get back on track, what justifies the billions of dollars we spend every year on this United Nations? Especially when our own country is in an economic crisis of our own, due to reckless spending, such as the United Nations budget.

The United Nations has almost universally failed at it's self-proclaimed goals of peacekeeping and promoting human rights. From the Congo Crisis in the 1960s to modern day Somalia, the UN has failed miserably to resolve these conflicts and promote human rights. Yet if that wasn't enough, the vast majority of conflicts and human rights abuses are ignored by the United Nations, there doesn't seem to be any clear connection between where the United Nations chooses to intervene.

While the United Nations may have once supported American interests, the modern United Nations does the exact opposite. In 2003 the United Nations condemned the American-led international invasion of Iraq, a country that the United Nations itself ignored, despite the repression and genocide committed by the Saddam Hussein regime, especially against Kurdish minorities in Iraq. Additionally the United Nations, despite claiming to support human rights, has actively campaigned for a global ban on legitimate gun owners, thus trying to take away one of the must important fundamental human rights of all citizens, the right to bear arms, and by extension, defend oneself. The United Nations does absolutely nothing but condemn America's ally, Israel, and has constantly supported the terrorists and Islamists in the so-called "Palestinian Territories." Despite the United Nations' claim that it supports counter-terrorism, they oppose every single action taken by Israel to defend itself against terrorism.

America doesn’t need the United Nations for national defense, in fact America would be much better off without the United Nations trying to tell us what to do. The United Nations has done absolutely nothing in recent years but hinder American ambitions. America is the greatest and most powerful nation in the world, we don’t need the United Nations to provide national defense for us or promote our strategic interests, not that the UN has any intention of doing either anyway. We have the strongest military, military bases and aircraft carriers at strategic locations around the world, and dozens of allies; we are more than capable of taking care of ourselves. As for the Untied Nations providing a possible deterrent to a conflict with the United Nations, there would be no need since no one in their right mind would dare attack America, not to mention we’ve already seen how good the United Nations is at keeping the peace (not at all). Additionally, America has a nuclear deterrent, so the potential superpowers (Brazil, China, India, Russia) wouldn’t dare us nuclear weapons against us, because they would be destroyed as well (mutually assured destruction).

Now let's expand upon the United Nations and their failure to respect gun rights around the world. In 2005 the United Nations attempted to force the federal government of Brazil to implement gun control. Fortunately the Brazilian people took the streets protesting the attempt and demanded a referendum, in this referendum the vast majority of the Brazilian people voted against the gun ban. Even now the United Nations is trying to force an international gun ban treaty, and what's worse is that even our own president, Barack Obama has betrayed the American people and the Constitution (again), Obama is working with the United Nations to try to force this gun ban down the throats of every single United Nations member. We cannot stand by as these unelected UN bureaucrats to violate our fundamental human rights, I seriously propose that America leaves the United Nations until and unless the United Nations begins to show respect for gun rights. What are your thoughts on withdrawal from the United Nations and how would you have us go about doing so?

[lemmingllama]

Really, the United Nations doesnt do anything of real interest anymore since they are just another government that is trying to pass policies. I can see the need of a group to discuss the international effects of certain people and if countries should go to fight, but the United Nations doesnt do that. So as such, it would be better just to have them disbanded entirely. After all, you dont even have to send soldiers if the United Nations sets its eyes on a target... It would be better just to have conferences when a nation sees a problem in another nation, and all the diplomats can go and chat there.

As for a gun ban, why??? All that it will do is stop all hunting and disarm those who get guns legally. A gun registry is the way to go, and only for hand guns at that. After all, crimes commited with guns are done with handguns somewhere around 80%(I cant remember the statistic, but its way up there) of the time. Plus it would be cheaper overall.

[Phoenix]

As for a gun ban, why??? All that it will do is stop all hunting and disarm those who get guns legally. A gun registry is the way to go, and only for hand guns at that. After all, crimes commited with guns are done with handguns somewhere around 80%(I cant remember the statistic, but its way up there) of the time. Plus it would be cheaper overall.

I already have my permit, it's called the Second Amendment.

[DrumRoll]

the UN is as useless as the League of Nations.

[lemmingllama]

What the fuck is wrong with you? I already have my permit, kiddo, it's called the Second Amendment.

Im sorry if you didnt realize, but I live in Canada. Here, you need to have a permit to legally own firearms. Anyone over 18 can do it without a problem, if you sign up then you pass. Its just so that people understand that they are dangerous and so that there are less crimes with guns.

Still, canadians can shoot just as much as americans, plus its cheaper here since we can buy from China. I actually spent four hours today at a range, even got to use a sub machine gun that an armorer buddy of mine grabbed. Hehehe...

[Koby]

If the USA ever passed a law banning fire arms, they'd never find mine. If they ever passed a law requiring me to register my fire arms, I'd never register them. Plain an simple. None of my guns are in my name as is, and therefore cannot be proven that I own them and that's how it'll stay. Passing a law requiring you to register them only makes it so when they do decide to ban them they'll know where to look and what to look for. So I say fuck that.

[Phoenix]

The government shouldn't "license" or otherwise restrict anyone's fundamental human rights. The second the government has control over something like guns or free speech or anything else, then you have already lost any rights that you may have once had. Besides, registration always leads to confiscation, from the Ottoman Empire prior to the Armenian genocide to Germany prior to the Holocaust. And don't think "it can't happen here," because it has already happened in many European countries, including the United Kingdom in 1997. Even in your own country of Canada, there was an attempt by the left to force a gun ban at the federal level a couple years ago, luckily the attempt failed.