Changes in Final Fantasy you would like

[utphamthanh]

What would you like to change with Final Fantasy as it being release on the new console in the years to come and why?

For me, I would like to see that they make the font in the system menu bigger. What is up with the new Final Fantasy game menu nowaday? I have to sit up close to read those items in my menu. Plus, when in battle system mode, I can't even read the small print of the selected item. To me, that's what has deterred me from ever purchasing Final Fantasy game in these new consoles. That is one thing I would like them to change first.

[Koby]

Something to change? Screw all this generation and go back to the heart and soul of the series.

Give me control of ALL my characters, give me free roam, give me turn-based battles, and get rid of that shitty auto-battle. Give me a challenge, don't make the game nothing more than a linear shitty ass movie that my 3 year old niece can run through and watch it play itself.

[utphamthanh]

There are some truths in your words. I do appreciate your opinion. Nonetheless, what we need to do is move forward, not backward. And along the way, modifications is more efficient rather than looking back and try to make something new works on something old. Also, it's good to try out the new battle system. Do remember that we are still in the 1st generation of the new battle system in FF. Therefore, there still are rooms for growth.

[Koby]

There are some truths in your words. I do appreciate your opinion. Nonetheless, what we need to do is move forward, not backward. And along the way, modifications is more efficient rather than looking back and try to make something new works on something old. Also, it's good to try out the new battle system. Do remember that we are still in the 1st generation of the new battle system in FF. Therefore, there still are rooms for growth.

Don't fix what isn't broken.

They have not made any adjustments to the franchise that have turned out good. Final Fantasy XIII wasn't even a game in the very definition of a game. You don't play it, you watch the movie play itself then occasionally move through a very narrow hallway from point a to b and watch more of the movie before running into a battle and selecting the crappy auto-battle and again watching the movie play itself. The only battle system in FFXIII was watching it play itself. There is no challenge if you aren't even able to play to begin with.

After the failure that has become of Square Enix. The Final Fantasy series has completely died for a lot of fans, including me. I will not waste any money on any future installments.

If they want to impress fans they first need to make a game that players can actually play.

[Nero D. Ace]

Don't fix what ain't broken.

The point Koby is trying to make is that Final Fantasy is a strategy-based RPG. The first games had exactly that - strategy.

Can't beat that boss? Let's try hitting him with Fira FIRST and then attacking ... Let's stack up on a bunch of potions so we can conserve MP for Black Magic ... Let's equip this undead-resistant Silver armor if we're going to the Cove of Skeletons.

The most strategy you have to do in FF-XIII is figure out how to lift your finger and select "Auto-Battle" ...

I mean, come on. What's the point of making that a game? Might as well release it on Blu-Ray as a CGI movie. It'd save people the trouble of pressing X every now and then.

While XIII may have had a good story, it FAILS as a strategy-based RPG game.

Wanna put in cool 3-D graphics? Fine by me. Just keep the game mechanics GAME-related and not a way to speed up the story like a TV remote.

[utphamthanh]

It's true that we don't fix things that aren't broken. But we do open the case and try to make some modification to make it work better. Like for instance, we have our houses. But we got bored with it. So, we remodel part of the house to make it look better. Every so often, we remodel bit by bit until the inside of the house almost look completely different than the original house that we had. It basically the same principle with game consoles.

As for the franchise of FF, the problems are with their game development. Not the fault of the console. But we have got to understand, they are still in the infancy of experiencing with the new battle system and the new consoles. Who knows, when they familiarize themselves with the new consoles, they might expand the new battle system with integration of the turn base standard back in the old days. That probably will make it more interesting. Just give them sometime. I'm sure you will like it when the FF franchise fully mature with the battle system. It's just too early to tell.

[tomgilrow]

I liked the slots on weapons and stuff for materia and leveling the materia from ff7. I always hoped it returns to the game.

[Koby]

It's true that we don't fix things that aren't broken. But we do open the case and try to make some modification to make it work better. Like for instance, we have our houses. But we got bored with it. So, we remodel part of the house to make it look better. Every so often, we remodel bit by bit until the inside of the house almost look completely different than the original house that we had. It basically the same principle with game consoles.

As for the franchise of FF, the problems are with their game development. Not the fault of the console. But we have got to understand, they are still in the infancy of experiencing with the new battle system and the new consoles. Who knows, when they familiarize themselves with the new consoles, they might expand the new battle system with integration of the turn base standard back in the old days. That probably will make it more interesting. Just give them sometime. I'm sure you will like it when the FF franchise fully mature with the battle system. It's just too early to tell.

They have had plenty of time and clearly this battle system doesn't work. It's not a battle system it's nothing more than a movie. You can't expect to steal fans money for years and years while you practice with new things that are broke and you remove everything that worked.

[utphamthanh]

To tomgilrow.

Yes, it's refreshing with the slot system and materia. I don't know if they would use that same slot in future because as far as I know so far each FF version has their own specific battle mechanisms. Let's hope there will be a deviant modern version of it. Although we don't want it to be the same since that would be too redundant and boring.

To Koby:

As far as I know, the new battle system in FF is only surfaced since they moved away from the PS2 console. So, it couldn't have been 5 years as far as I know. It wouldn't have been years. I might be wrong on this, but the new battle system was only presented in FFXIII. That's not really years and years of it since it was released 2 years ago.

[Koby]

To Koby:

As far as I know, the new battle system in FF is only surfaced since they moved away from the PS2 console. So, it couldn't have been 5 years as far as I know. It wouldn't have been years. I might be wrong on this, but the new battle system was only presented in FFXIII. That's not really years and years of it since it was released 2 years ago.

I believe it was built upon the ideas they had in FFXII but that's beside the point. FFXIII was originally announced in like 2006 or 2007. Meaning they have had a good 4-5 years to test the battle system including the time during testing before release of the game and testing battle systems after the release for future games. However my comment about 'years and years' is in reference to your comment:

They are still in the infancy of experiencing with the new battle system and the new consoles. Who knows, when they familiarize themselves with the new consoles

You're pretty much saying we have to endure the shitty products they release due to failed experiments and we have to pretty much be happy while we wait for them to release crap until one day they finally figure out how to make it work how fans want. We shouldn't have to wait, and we shouldn't have to buy lots of crap games while they figure it out. If they can't get it right before the game is released then they shouldn't bother with it.

My point is, the old system wasn't broke. Why not expand and work on it, instead of announcing 'we're out of ideas for turn-based so we are going to turn the FF franchise to a new genre. Instead of pure RPG as it had been for the last 10 installments, we're going to give you an MMO (FFXI), an offline MMO (FFXII), and an Action-RPG/Movie (FFXIII)'. Which is pretty much exactly what they did. They ran out of idea's (they actually said that in an interview as to why they were moving from turn-based) so instead of ending the franchise while it was good, they started shitting on fans and tossing out half-assed sequels and moving the franchise away from the good ol' pure RPG genre.

The problem with their line of thinking is, they didn't even really experiment with turn-based. Heck Shadow Hearts shown amazing ideas for ways of making turn-based something new and interactive. It's too bad Nautilus went under. Had they got the recognition they deserved maybe we would have saw the death of Square-Enix instead and now had actual RPG's this generation worth playing that show that actual thought and originality went into them.

[Myrodis19]

To Koby: Honestly you sound like one of those people who is afraid of change. I too have been with the series since its start and while i may not be happy with the way 13 has turned out i still loved it. Half the time what keeps people interested in a FF game is the story not the gameplay so as long as the story looks appealing i will get the game.

As for actual gameplay i hear 13-2 is supposed to move a little backwards as they are somewhat changing the battle style. And for that matter 13 Versus looks epic.

Though on a side note if they ever did remake 7 i hope to god they keep the old battle style it had. What i think is use 10s graphics and such for 7. I am fine if they add stuff just dont change stuff.

[Koby]

To Koby: Honestly you sound like one of those people who is afraid of change.

Then you didn't understand my point.

I didn't say I didn't want change. I only said every change they seem to make only brakes something else that wasn't broken. There is plenty of things they can innovate or change without completely destroying what makes Final Fantasy actually Final Fantasy but they fail to actually understand what actually even makes this franchise tick to start with apparently after FF13 as it completely removed everything about the franchise. It shouldn't have even been called Final Fantasy IMO.

I too have been with the series since its start and while i may not be happy with the way 13 has turned out i still loved it. Half the time what keeps people interested in a FF game is the story not the gameplay so as long as the story looks appealing i will get the game.

But FFXIII wasn't a game in the very sense/definition of what defines a game. It was just a movie, and it would have been better had they realized this and released it in movie format rather than shitting on fans and lying to them as to what it was. You don't get to play it, you get to sit back and go from narrow hallway point a to point b, run into an enemy and watch it go through the motion while you do nothing for hours and hours upon hours with no end in sight. I'm serious. My sister played this game for over 20 hours and it still never changed from this formula. I hear people say it does eventually 'turn into a game' but 20+ hours is way to much shit to bother trying to get through doing nothing to finally see what you might be able to do.

Maybe it's just I guess I feel out of place being 22 years old since I came from a generation that actually prefers to 'play the game' rather than 'watch the game'. I find no joy or fun in a game that isn't really a game.

As for actual gameplay i hear 13-2 is supposed to move a little backwards as they are somewhat changing the battle style. And for that matter 13 Versus looks epic.

They said the same thing about the last 4 releases.. look how they turned out. They have already lost a huge chunk of their fans based on their failures and lies. People simply get tired of them robbing them of their money based on lies.

Who's going to want to play 13-2 when they couldn't sit through that 40 hour movie called 13? You going to play a sequel without knowing the story? Or you going to force yourself to waste your time sitting through that crap so you can play 13-2? Lets face it.. even if 13-2 turns out to be awesome... a lot of people will never know because they won't even bother with it.

Though on a side note if they ever did remake 7 i hope to god they keep the old battle style it had. What i think is use 10s graphics and such for 7. I am fine if they add stuff just dont change stuff.

Given the history of Square Enix since Square-Soft and Enix merged.. if they make FF7 remake they WILL screw it up. Given the cult following that game has, if they did it would spell the doom of the company. Sure they are already in trouble after the crap they continue to release and continue to lose fans.. but nothing will spell the end of them like destroying the largest cult followings dreams when it comes to console RPG fans. I think Square Enix know this and that is why they are a rather indecisive when it comes to agreeing to actually make the remake or not.