sjgjnr Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 So ive only just started watching Shippuden and so far so good, you know i lke the fact that as a viewer you see each character grow up and mature threw each episode, it almost reminds me of the Dragonball series were at the begining Goku was a young boy only just beginnig to know the strength within him and learning how to control his abilitys, then as the Dragonball series finished Dragonball Z started as Goku as a young man with a child of his own , i think watching any character grow in not just strength and ability but age aswell makes you understand and associate with the character alot more. the only difference in that respect between Naruto and Dragonball is that in Dragonball there is so much missing in between Dragonball and Dragonball Z, like what was Goku like in his teens, was the world at peace for all that time c'mon no growing pains, no monster wanting devour the world? i mean there must of been somthing!? so yeah i think Naruto is better in that its only been what 2 yrs between each saga, series!? BUT now the frustration part! in Naruto Shippuden i was so hoping that Naruto would atleast be abit stronger, its like every one around him has progressed so much that Naruto still seems at the same power level as he was before(his own power not the nine tails, which has yes grew dramitically) which i was abit dissapointed at and espicially watching the episode were he is reunited Sasuke(this boy is so cock-sure of himself it drives me mad) and to see how much he has grown in power compared to Naruto really pissed me off and yea i know if Naruto could beat evryone there is, there wouldnt be much room for growth and i can appricate that as a writer, suspence and waiting for the unknown is what grips people attention but still......... well thats about it my 10 min rant is over, im up to episode 53 and cant wait to watch the next.Any comments, agree or disagree, what frustates you about how Naruto is, what could be batter in your oppinion id like to hear it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyyu Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 yeh i know what ya mean the only great move he learnt to me waz just the razengan which was good to see him train Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koby Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 Did you fail to watch Dragon Ball? Goku was an adult by the end of it. If anything the gap between the end of Dragon Ball and the start of Dragon Ball Z was only however old Gohan was + the 9 months for conception. Not a whole lot happened in terms of story but if you watched the first couple episodes of Dragon Ball Z you would have heard that Piccolo had been trying to defeat him still for the past several years. So you can assume mostly what happened between that was peaceful and then some fights against Piccolo now and then.As for Naruto, he didn't get any stronger but he did learn the useless Odama Rasengan during his training during the gap between Naruto and Naruto Shippuuden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjgjnr Posted January 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 Did you fail to watch Dragon Ball? Goku was an adult by the end of it.yes your right, and yes i havent completed watching it, but the thing about Dragonball from episode 132. Hotter Than Lava to 133. Changes, just"one episode"! 3 yrs had passed and boom you see goku as an adult! plus in the middle of a series! i just think the story of Naruto will be able to shed more light on his growing up with a slower progression of his life which is more realistic in the aspect of time than the story of db. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koby Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 yes your right, and yes i havent completed watching it, but the thing about Dragonball from episode 132. Hotter Than Lava to 133. Changes, just"one episode"! 3 yrs had passed and boom you see goku as an adult! plus in the middle of a series! i just think the story of Naruto will be able to shed more light on his growing up with a slower progression of his life which is more realistic in the aspect of time than the story of db.So it's fine that Naruto skips ahead by 2.5 years during training but you are not okay with Dragon Ball skipping 3 years during training? That is rather contradictory. Also you forget Naruto and Naruto Shippuuden was actually ONE series in the manga. They only split it in the Anime because fans were tired of 90+ filler episodes and they wanted to get peoples attention otherwise it'd be in the middle of the series as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjgjnr Posted January 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 So it's fine that Naruto skips ahead by 2.5 years during training but you are not okay with Dragon Ball skipping 3 years during training? That is rather contradictory. Also you forget Naruto and Naruto Shippuuden was actually ONE series in the manga. They only split it in the Anime because fans were tired of 90+ filler episodes and they wanted to get peoples attention otherwise it'd be in the middle of the series as well.yea maybe your right but in 15 episodes time naruto int gona have a kid is he, but personally i think naruto has a lot less gaps init than the dragonball to dbz series. And i didnt know naruto and NS was one seies so, to forget somthing you must have at some point knew it! and in this case it didnt, so thanks "KOBY" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koby Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 yea maybe your right but in 15 episodes time naruto int gona have a kid is he, but personally i think naruto has a lot less gaps init than the dragonball to dbz series. And i didnt know naruto and NS was one seies so, to forget somthing you must have at some point knew it! and in this case it didnt, so thanks "KOBY" You got to remember about the age difference as well. Naruto is only 15 in Shippuuden so of course he wouldn't be having any kids. Also Dragon Ball Z was not intended. Dragon Ball was the end of the franchise/series but Akira's publishers demanded he continued so he made Dragon Ball Z after the fact of ending the manga of Dragon Ball. At least that is what I heard, the same goes for Dragon Ball GT. Also they aren't really meant to be one long story anyhow, they were intended to be separate parts of his life. All you really seem to be doing is coming up with half baked attempts to compare Naruto to the Dragon Ball series and come out saying Naruto is superior. Almost all long running shonen series will at one point introduce a time gap anyways to progress the story. Some such as Hitman Reborn simply introduced time travel and jumped through time 10 years into the future to add to the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjgjnr Posted January 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 half baked attempts???? YOUVE LOST ME!comparing the story time line between two similiar and equally great anime is not half baked, so instead of contributing to a reasonable debate discussion, youve got to make out i dont know what im talking about this isnt fact this is an opinion in that i think naruto's story in the way you will be able to see more of his GROWING UP nothing more, nothing to do with comparing plots between the both anime, not the characters themselves nor the enemys they face just the fact that you wii be able see alot more of his, ill say it again "GROWING UP" Than you did of goku's which in my opinion was too quick! and at no point in this post or the ones before did i say naruto is superior!!! i think there both great anime.AND plus disagreeing with someone is fine in a debate untill you try and start to belittle the opposing side, which will ultimatley result in your downfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koby Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 Sorry I didn't mean to sound offensive at all, it's just everything you have pointed out thus far was given plenty of reason as to why it was as such. You said it was alright for Naruto to skip ahead but not Dragon Ball originally, then when that was countered you said 'but Naruto ain't gonna have a kid in 15 episodes?' which I then pointed out the age differences between Goku and Naruto. As I said originally, Dragon Ball wasn't intended to last that long and the only reason it continued was because publishers demanded more since it became such a money maker to them. As for skipping along now and then? Well while Goku is the main character, he isn't necessarily the only main character. Naruto, which the series is even named after him, is completely focused on Naruto being the main character and therefore they spend more focus and time on him. Dragon Ball was all about Goku. Dragon Ball Z was mostly about Goku early on but switches over to Gohan until Goku shows up to beat Frieza then it goes back to Gohan and introduces Trunks. It's not until the Boo saga that it goes back to Goku and then ends. As for Dragon Ball GT, sure Goku was the main character again, and the one to save the day all the time, but the focus was mostly on Pan, and at the end it shows that eventually the world can move on and find another hero after Goku within his Great Grandson. So you see, Naruto is all about Naruto, while the Dragon Ball universe expands many generations and therefore calls for timeskips between series, and in Dragon Ball the reason for Goku's growth was because it was intended to be the one and only series anyways.Comparing them, debating them, whatever is completely alright. I think you got the wrong impression of what I was trying to point out. I'm just saying that it's hard to compare progress of a series that focuses on one main character vs. one that spans generations and try to say that it developed to quickly without enough growth in-between. Had they done like you suggested, the Dragon Ball series would have quickly grown stale, been full of filler, and ended up a couple thousand episodes and probably still not have ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjgjnr Posted January 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 cheers for the info. I must admit i give credit where credits due you know your stuff!!now i see reason! and yea your probably right, i dint really look at dragonball as a collective of characters but really just a story about goku so yea i see your point, and about me saying its was alright for naruto to skip ahead but not DB i dint say that i just said i thought it seemed like one minute goku was a boy the next a man with a kid, but as you pointed and thanks for it! dragonball was not ment to carry on after DB and continue on to Z untill money made its mark!let me ask you a question when naruto ends and all great things come to an end, do you think you will have a fuller and a more meaningful story overall in the sence that if naruto the anime shows each stage of his growing up from a youg boy threw his teens, to young adult, old man and finally hokage that you will be able to look back and see his progression visually and i dunno like it more, because the fact that you yorself have grown older with this fictional character? jus a question.i have been enlightend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelzy Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 well unlike some anime (eg full metal , elfen lied etc) Naruto is kept as close to the manga as possible - of course fillers are included to the series so it does not get derailed.but to be honest, yes it is possible that Naruto might have another age jump gap thing. The reason I think this because even Masashi Kishimoto's (creater of naruto) brother Seishi Kishimoto included 3 age skips in his manga (666 satan).Yes it is possible to become hokage (that is if he does) at his current age because gaara has aswell., but then again they might make it when he is older. -though i say it is possible to have another time skip, i highly doubt that... unless Masashi Kishimoto ends the manga with just saying that everyone grew up bla bla bla happily ever after.but to answer your question ...who knows? maybe naruto will keep growing up with his audience (i dont know about the older people but i am 16 like naruto so it would be like 'growing up with him') or it will end soon... the way it is going it does not look like naruto is going to end any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koby Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 maybe naruto will keep growing up with his audience (i dont know about the older people but i am 16 like naruto so it would be like 'growing up with him') or it will end soon... the way it is going it does not look like naruto is going to end any time soon.Well Naruto has been going for how many years now?He's only aged 3 years in all that time and 2.5 years was during a time skip, so that's saying that he barely ages if any during the actual story which is kind of sad when you think about how much story there has been.As for Naruto not ending soon? Kishimoto already announced he has an ending in mind (unlike Bleach creator Tite Kubo). I don't know how much more he has planned before his 'planned ending' happens, but I doubt it'll be another 200 episodes worth of Anime or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelzy Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 Well Naruto has been going for how many years now?He's only aged 3 years in all that time and 2.5 years was during a time skip, so that's saying that he barely ages if any during the actual story which is kind of sad when you think about how much story there has been.As for Naruto not ending soon? Kishimoto already announced he has an ending in mind (unlike Bleach creator Tite Kubo). I don't know how much more he has planned before his 'planned ending' happens, but I doubt it'll be another 200 episodes worth of Anime or anything.-lol wow when you quoted me it made it seem what i said really dumb XD Yes I know Naruto has been going on for a long time but I only started watching and reading it in 2009 and what i meant was even though naruto does not age like people in reality year to year I feel that with most chapters I can relate more and more with the character (yes that sounds a little creepy but work with me on this concept)-Anyways As for Naruto not ending soon? Kishimoto already announced he has an ending in mind (unlike Bleach creator Tite Kubo)I read that interview where he announced that. So I did know about it, but even though Kishimoto said that he already has an ending for Naruto, , I really really don't see it ending any time soon. Unless he ends it suddenly like Hiromu Arakawa's Fullmetal Alchemist. With bleach I personally think that it could of ended already When Ichigo (Kurosaki) defeated Aizen (Sōsuke) by giving up his Shinigami (Soul Reaper) powers. - It would of been a sad ending but it could of worked, but Tite Kubo continued on with it.Anyway all in all I still have a feeling Naruto is still going to have a long way to go, whether or not you agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austenn01 Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Yeah, I have started re watching 'Naruto' almsot up to Naruto Shippuden. Naruto never seems to get new cool jutsu, while everyone else like Sauske gets so so so strong. But this is my fav anime, I love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelzy Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 Yeah, I have started re watching 'Naruto' almsot up to Naruto Shippuden. Naruto never seems to get new cool jutsu, while everyone else like Sauske gets so so so strong. But this is my fav anime, I love it!hahaha he actually does get stronger in Naruto Shippuden He learns sage mode (that made him able to kill Pain (an akatski member))Sage mode advantages: -The user's physical strength, speed, stamina, and durability dramatically increase, to the point where they could fall face first into a bed of spikes and receive no injury whatsoever. -The user's ninjutsu, genjutsu, and taijutsu become more powerful. -The user can harness the natural energy surrounding them, turning it into an extension of their body, and increasing the reach of their attacks. -The user gains the ability to sense chakra around them.Nine-Tails Chakra Mode (manga)(not the red aura of the Nine-Tails' chakra)(looks like this http://images.wikia.com/naruto/images/b/bc/Controlled_Form_Naruto.png)-Naruto's speed and strength are significantly increased (he said to be like a yellow flash -like his father-). -He can even use his chakra to create chakra limbs, which can easily crush stone with just a grip.-Naruto also gains the Nine-Tails' ability to sense negative emotions, something not even the best sensor-type ninja are capable of.-Due to having the Nine-Tails' Yang chakra in this form, Yamato's Wood Release techniques reacted to the chakra's life-giving energy, turning his wooden totems into full grown trees within a matter of seconds.-While trying to use the Rasengan in this form, it resembles how the Tailed Beast Ball is formed.Reference:-myself (readind manga) -http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Narutopedia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxena.siddhu Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 man in my opinion naruto is the best no matter what.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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