Hollywood supports pirates?

[professa X]

So the proofs in the pudding. The whole worlds knows now that the ones who hate pirates are the leeches known as compyright holders not the actual content makers!

 

http://torrentfreak.com/hollywood-workers-demand-peter-sundes-dignity-freedom-140918/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Torrentfreak+%28Torrentfreak%29

[Moodkiller]

Right, time to rant. I find this absolutely stupid! Meaning the arresting and sentencing of the founders/co-founders of TPB. All they did was set up a unique way to share files with each other. It is up to the person sharing the file to make sure that THEY are not breaking any copyright laws... its the same with MegaUpload... Dot Kom did nothing wrong. He was providing a means for people to share files, and once again its the individual user who should make sure that no copyright laws are being broken in doing so. Why should the owners be the ones to suffer the consequences...

 

Sunde will now serve the eight-month jail sentence handed down in 2010 for breaching copyright law. Sunde was also fined 46 million SEK (nearly $7 million) at the time.

The Pirate Bay website turned 10 years old last August, and continues to function — although the website notes it is now run by an organization, rather than individuals, and is registered in the Seychelles.

- source

 

If they (the people who are shouting about laws being broken) are so worried about business being taken away from them and losing money from the billions they are already making, then all the resources put into capturing, prosecuting and jailing the founder/s should be put into shutting down the site itself. Kill a weed at its roots, just breaking it off at the surface won't do jack shit... Look at TBP, its still up and running despite its history with it having to move its servers around on top of everything else. Sure another torrent sharing site may pop up, but if it gets all the sites get shut down and the Officials/Law gets on top of it, people will be very discouraged to start up another torrent sharing site. 

 

You also got to ask the question then, what about nyaa.se and Kickass, never mind the other few hundred that do the same thing. Why weren't their owners/users targeted. You cant tell me that officials didn't know about these sites...

 

According to this wikipedia article, the judge found Sunde and Co. guilty of "assisting in making copyright content available" and here, on TPB's About page is pretty much what I have been getting to:
 

Only torrent files are saved at the server. That means no copyrighted and/or illegal material are stored by us. It is therefore not possible to hold the people behind The Pirate Bay responsible for the material that is being spread using the tracker. Any complaints from copyright and/or lobby organizations will be ridiculed and published at the site. 

 

 

 

They did nothing wrong...

 

Regarding the article in this thread, I think its sad how they can allow him to attend his dads funeral, but has to be handcuffed ... As it was mentioned, he hasn't killed anyone, he is not a threat to anyones life, he is not a hardened criminal, and he will be with 2 guards, so whats even the point of the handcuffs... 

 

I did as much research as I could during this, so if you know something that I don't, then please by all means, mention it. 

[professa X]

Right, time to rant. I find this absolutely stupid! Meaning the arresting and sentencing of the founders/co-founders of TPB. All they did was set up a unique way to share files with each other. It is up to the person sharing the file to make sure that THEY are not breaking any copyright laws... its the same with MegaUpload... Dot Kom did nothing wrong. He was providing a means for people to share files, and once again its the individual user who should make sure that no copyright laws are being broken in doing so. Why should the owners be the ones to suffer the consequences...

 

Sunde will now serve the eight-month jail sentence handed down in 2010 for breaching copyright law. Sunde was also fined 46 million SEK (nearly $7 million) at the time.

The Pirate Bay website turned 10 years old last August, and continues to function — although the website notes it is now run by an organization, rather than individuals, and is registered in the Seychelles.

- source

 

If they (the people who are shouting about laws being broken) are so worried about business being taken away from them and losing money from the billions they are already making, then all the resources put into capturing, prosecuting and jailing the founder/s should be put into shutting down the site itself. Kill a weed at its roots, just breaking it off at the surface won't do jack shit... Look at TBP, its still up and running despite its history with it having to move its servers around on top of everything else. Sure another torrent sharing site may pop up, but if it gets all the sites get shut down and the Officials/Law gets on top of it, people will be very discouraged to start up another torrent sharing site. 

 

You also got to ask the question then, what about nyaa.se and Kickass, never mind the other few hundred that do the same thing. Why weren't their owners/users targeted. You cant tell me that officials didn't know about these sites...

 

According to this wikipedia article, the judge found Sunde and Co. guilty of "assisting in making copyright content available" and here, on TPB's About page is pretty much what I have been getting to:

 

Only torrent files are saved at the server. That means no copyrighted and/or illegal material are stored by us. It is therefore not possible to hold the people behind The Pirate Bay responsible for the material that is being spread using the tracker. Any complaints from copyright and/or lobby organizations will be ridiculed and published at the site.

 

They did nothing wrong...

 

Regarding the article in this thread, I think its sad how they can allow him to attend his dads funeral, but has to be handcuffed ... As it was mentioned, he hasn't killed anyone, he is not a threat to anyones life, he is not a hardened criminal, and he will be with 2 guards, so whats even the point of the handcuffs... 

 

I did as much research as I could during this, so if you know something that I don't, then please by all means, mention it.

He was able to go to the funeral without handcuffs. That's the recent update. Any who the issue isn't copyrights. The issue is the blatant disregard of vital civil rights. Just suggesting the shutting down of these sites is just as wrong. That would only stoke their beliefs and bypass the real issue. Think of these sites as postal services. And think of the data as letters. Then you will see what I mean. What there resources need to be used on is coming up of a way for them to make money with current condition of technology. Not to destroy the vital civil rights of people for their own monetary gain. Read the following article

http://torrentfreak.com/letter-copyright-monopoly-140921/

[Moodkiller]

Ah well thats good news. Glad somebody had some sense to realize that that wasn't exactly the right thing to do.

 

Alright, so if I understand you correctly (and the article), the suggestion is that we should have the right to send data ("letters") anonymously and without anyone else knowing, correct?

 

While I do agree with that (it's just something that I don't think will ever change now - its too late to imo), my point was that it shouldn't be the "mailman" getting jailed, fined etc. He is merely the method of transporter/middle man, I.E. the tracker. He is providing a service that, unfortunately, users have now decided to exploit and turn into distributing illegal content and thus the whole copyright now comes into play.

 

But yeah, thats a whole nother aspect of it.  

[The Question]

 

Right, time to rant. I find this absolutely stupid! Meaning the arresting and sentencing of the founders/co-founders of TPB. All they did was set up a unique way to share files with each other. It is up to the person sharing the file to make sure that THEY are not breaking any copyright laws... its the same with MegaUpload... Dot Kom did nothing wrong. He was providing a means for people to share files, and once again its the individual user who should make sure that no copyright laws are being broken in doing so. Why should the owners be the ones to suffer the consequences...

 

Sunde will now serve the eight-month jail sentence handed down in 2010 for breaching copyright law. Sunde was also fined 46 million SEK (nearly $7 million) at the time.

The Pirate Bay website turned 10 years old last August, and continues to function — although the website notes it is now run by an organization, rather than individuals, and is registered in the Seychelles.

- source

 

If they (the people who are shouting about laws being broken) are so worried about business being taken away from them and losing money from the billions they are already making, then all the resources put into capturing, prosecuting and jailing the founder/s should be put into shutting down the site itself. Kill a weed at its roots, just breaking it off at the surface won't do jack shit... Look at TBP, its still up and running despite its history with it having to move its servers around on top of everything else. Sure another torrent sharing site may pop up, but if it gets all the sites get shut down and the Officials/Law gets on top of it, people will be very discouraged to start up another torrent sharing site. 

 

You also got to ask the question then, what about nyaa.se and Kickass, never mind the other few hundred that do the same thing. Why weren't their owners/users targeted. You cant tell me that officials didn't know about these sites...

 

According to this wikipedia article, the judge found Sunde and Co. guilty of "assisting in making copyright content available" and here, on TPB's About page is pretty much what I have been getting to:

 

Only torrent files are saved at the server. That means no copyrighted and/or illegal material are stored by us. It is therefore not possible to hold the people behind The Pirate Bay responsible for the material that is being spread using the tracker. Any complaints from copyright and/or lobby organizations will be ridiculed and published at the site.

 

They did nothing wrong...

 

Regarding the article in this thread, I think its sad how they can allow him to attend his dads funeral, but has to be handcuffed ... As it was mentioned, he hasn't killed anyone, he is not a threat to anyones life, he is not a hardened criminal, and he will be with 2 guards, so whats even the point of the handcuffs... 

 

I did as much research as I could during this, so if you know something that I don't, then please by all means, mention it.

He was able to go to the funeral without handcuffs. That's the recent update. Any who the issue isn't copyrights. The issue is the blatant disregard of vital civil rights. Just suggesting the shutting down of these sites is just as wrong. That would only stoke their beliefs and bypass the real issue. Think of these sites as postal services. And think of the data as letters. Then you will see what I mean. What there resources need to be used on is coming up of a way for them to make money with current condition of technology. Not to destroy the vital civil rights of people for their own monetary gain. Read the following article

http://torrentfreak.com/letter-copyright-monopoly-140921/

 

*sighs* Here we are again and I'm about to jump into something I don't want to just because I have nothing better to do. I'll try and keep this short and sweet, and to the point.

Hi again, Mr. Letter-san. Let's just lay a few things on the table, as far as I'm personally concerned:

 

1. We're pirates; we download copyrighted material without paying; that's stealing; that's illegal
2. Do I think the copyright owners are abusing their power? Short answer: Yes.
3. Do I think the copyright owners are in the wrong, overall? Short answer: No.
4. The more I think about that letter analogy, the more I dislike it and consider it a fallacy.
5. Whoever thought 'Hollywood' cared is stupid (sorry); it's always been the copyright owners that were ones screaming foul.
6. This is battle of concepts; of semantics and technicality; a battle of excuses and loopholes.

So, those few things out of the way, let's talk.

 

Let's start off by taking a look at TPB (The Pirate Bay). As far as I was last aware, the site does not host the files themselves; the merely hotlink/magnet--whatever you call it--, the files from it's original source elsewhere; the source is not directly affiliated with the site. My first question would become, as it was with the Megaupload incident, are they making profit, e.g ad revenue? I personally wouldn't know, as I have Adblock, but that's a moot point.

That's one difference between the Megaupload and PirateBay; where the files are hosted/located. The Megaupload had a notorious reputation for piracy, but you weren't able to just search for the content; you had to have the link provided by the uploader. I believe copyrighted material was taken down by the owners/staff originally and then such powers were extended to the copyright owners themselves, but to no avail-- VIVA LA MEGA--, *coughs*.

 

Kim Dotcom bloody well knew that copyrighted material was being uploaded to his site, on a massive scale, and only made half-heartened attempts to fix the solution. I mean, why would he? He was making millions upon millions of dollars through users' premium subscription. And you know what, us who pirated anime/TV shows, we loved it. We loved Megaupload. 

Now as to why PirateBay is under the magnifying glass? I don't know ever little detail regarding this whole state of affairs from its conception, but I will make an educated guess and assume because it's a popular-- probably the most popular and [now] well known--, pirate site. It's become a monster, and you know one of the most affective way of killing a monster, i.e. the suppliers of pirated goods? Cut off the head. Unfortunately, that isn't so affective when the monster is a motherf******* HYDRA!

 

I'm not well versed when it comes to how the PirateBay conducts themselves. I will assume-- correct me if I'm wrong--, that because the files aren't hosted by them, they aren't technically required to remove anything, which is why it has been such a heated battle between the site and the copyright owners. 

Allow me to use an extreme example: If I replaced all the copyrighted material and replaced it with other illegal material, such as say, child pornography, would the PirateBay would the still be in the position to hold a straight face and say it's no liable, as its not hosting the content?

 

Ah well thats good news. Glad somebody had some sense to realize that that wasn't exactly the right thing to do.

 

Alright, so if I understand you correctly (and the article), the suggestion is that we should have the right to send data ("letters") anonymously and without anyone else knowing, correct?

 

While I do agree with that (it's just something that I don't think will ever change now - its too late to imo), my point was that it shouldn't be the "mailman" getting jailed, fined etc. He is merely the method of transporter/middle man, I.E. the tracker. He is providing a service that, unfortunately, users have now decided to exploit and turn into distributing illegal content and thus the whole copyright now comes into play.

 

But yeah, thats a whole nother aspect of it.  

 

Firstly, the analogue (non-digital) mailman isn't aware of the content of which he's delivering and as say, shouldn't be held liable; digital mailman, e.g. Piratebay KNOW that what they're 'delivering' is illegal, stolen content, but deliver it anyway, for which I love them for.

To make my point clear, allow me to use another extreme example:

Analogue Mailman: Delivers parcel; it's a bomb; he is not aware of such; recipient dies in subsequent explosion.  He shouldn't be held liable for the death of the person, as he was not aware of the content of the parcel.

 

Digital Mailman: 'Delivers' parcel; knows its a bomb but doesn't care; knows if he delivers, recipient dies in subsequent explosion. He should be held liable for the death of the person, as he was aware of the content of the parcel and the obvious result of delivering such.

Edited September 25, 2014 by The Question

[professa X]

 

 

Right, time to rant. I find this absolutely stupid! Meaning the arresting and sentencing of the founders/co-founders of TPB. All they did was set up a unique way to share files with each other. It is up to the person sharing the file to make sure that THEY are not breaking any copyright laws... its the same with MegaUpload... Dot Kom did nothing wrong. He was providing a means for people to share files, and once again its the individual user who should make sure that no copyright laws are being broken in doing so. Why should the owners be the ones to suffer the consequences...

 

Sunde will now serve the eight-month jail sentence handed down in 2010 for breaching copyright law. Sunde was also fined 46 million SEK (nearly $7 million) at the time.

The Pirate Bay website turned 10 years old last August, and continues to function — although the website notes it is now run by an organization, rather than individuals, and is registered in the Seychelles.

- source

 

If they (the people who are shouting about laws being broken) are so worried about business being taken away from them and losing money from the billions they are already making, then all the resources put into capturing, prosecuting and jailing the founder/s should be put into shutting down the site itself. Kill a weed at its roots, just breaking it off at the surface won't do jack shit... Look at TBP, its still up and running despite its history with it having to move its servers around on top of everything else. Sure another torrent sharing site may pop up, but if it gets all the sites get shut down and the Officials/Law gets on top of it, people will be very discouraged to start up another torrent sharing site. 

 

You also got to ask the question then, what about nyaa.se and Kickass, never mind the other few hundred that do the same thing. Why weren't their owners/users targeted. You cant tell me that officials didn't know about these sites...

 

According to this wikipedia article, the judge found Sunde and Co. guilty of "assisting in making copyright content available" and here, on TPB's About page is pretty much what I have been getting to:

 

Only torrent files are saved at the server. That means no copyrighted and/or illegal material are stored by us. It is therefore not possible to hold the people behind The Pirate Bay responsible for the material that is being spread using the tracker. Any complaints from copyright and/or lobby organizations will be ridiculed and published at the site.

 

They did nothing wrong...

 

Regarding the article in this thread, I think its sad how they can allow him to attend his dads funeral, but has to be handcuffed ... As it was mentioned, he hasn't killed anyone, he is not a threat to anyones life, he is not a hardened criminal, and he will be with 2 guards, so whats even the point of the handcuffs... 

 

I did as much research as I could during this, so if you know something that I don't, then please by all means, mention it.

He was able to go to the funeral without handcuffs. That's the recent update. Any who the issue isn't copyrights. The issue is the blatant disregard of vital civil rights. Just suggesting the shutting down of these sites is just as wrong. That would only stoke their beliefs and bypass the real issue. Think of these sites as postal services. And think of the data as letters. Then you will see what I mean. What there resources need to be used on is coming up of a way for them to make money with current condition of technology. Not to destroy the vital civil rights of people for their own monetary gain. Read the following article

http://torrentfreak.com/letter-copyright-monopoly-140921/

 

*sighs* Here we are again and I'm about to jump into something I don't want to just because I have nothing better to do. I'll try and keep this short and sweet, and to the point.

Hi again, Mr. Letter-san. Let's just lay a few things on the table, as far as I'm personally concerned:

 

1. We're pirates; we download copyrighted material without paying; that's stealing; that's illegal
2. Do I think the copyright owners are abusing their power? Short answer: Yes.
3. Do I think the copyright owners are in the wrong, overall? Short answer: No.
4. The more I think about that letter analogy, the more I dislike it and consider it a fallacy.
5. Whoever thought 'Hollywood' cared is stupid (sorry); it's always been the copyright owners that were ones screaming foul.
6. This is battle of concepts; of semantics and technicality; a battle of excuses and loopholes.

So, those few things out of the way, let's talk.

 

Let's start off by taking a look at TPB (The Pirate Bay). As far as I was last aware, the site does not host the files themselves; the merely hotlink/magnet--whatever you call it--, the files from it's original source elsewhere; the source is not directly affiliated with the site. My first question would become, as it was with the Megaupload incident, are they making profit, e.g ad revenue? I personally wouldn't know, as I have Adblock, but that's a moot point.

That's one difference between the Megaupload and PirateBay; where the files are hosted/located. The Megaupload had a notorious reputation for piracy, but you weren't able to just search for the content; you had to have the link provided by the uploader. I believe copyrighted material was taken down by the owners/staff originally and then such powers were extended to the copyright owners themselves, but to no avail-- VIVA LA MEGA--, *coughs*.

 

Kim Dotcom bloody well knew that copyrighted material was being uploaded to his site, on a massive scale, and only made half-heartened attempts to fix the solution. I mean, why would he? He was making millions upon millions of dollars through users' premium subscription. And you know what, us who pirated anime/TV shows, we loved it. We loved Megaupload. 

Now as to why PirateBay is under the magnifying glass? I don't know ever little detail regarding this whole state of affairs from its conception, but I will make an educated guess and assume because it's a popular-- probably the most popular and [now] well known--, pirate site. It's become a monster, and you know one of the most affective way of killing a monster, i.e. the suppliers of pirated goods? Cut off the head. Unfortunately, that isn't so affective when the monster is a motherf******* HYDRA!

 

I'm not well versed when it comes to how the PirateBay conducts themselves. I will assume-- correct me if I'm wrong--, that because the files aren't hosted by them, they aren't technically required to remove anything, which is why it has been such a heated battle between the site and the copyright owners. 

Allow me to use an extreme example: If I replaced all the copyrighted material and replaced it with other illegal material, such as say, child pornography, would the PirateBay would the still be in the position to hold a straight face and say it's no liable, as its not hosting the content?

 

Ah well thats good news. Glad somebody had some sense to realize that that wasn't exactly the right thing to do.

 

Alright, so if I understand you correctly (and the article), the suggestion is that we should have the right to send data ("letters") anonymously and without anyone else knowing, correct?

 

While I do agree with that (it's just something that I don't think will ever change now - its too late to imo), my point was that it shouldn't be the "mailman" getting jailed, fined etc. He is merely the method of transporter/middle man, I.E. the tracker. He is providing a service that, unfortunately, users have now decided to exploit and turn into distributing illegal content and thus the whole copyright now comes into play.

 

But yeah, thats a whole nother aspect of it.  

 

Firstly, the analogue (non-digital) mailman isn't aware of the content of which he's delivering and as say, shouldn't be held liable; digital mailman, e.g. Piratebay KNOW that what they're 'delivering' is illegal, stolen content, but deliver it anyway, for which I love them for.

To make my point clear, allow me to use another extreme example:

Analogue Mailman: Delivers parcel; it's a bomb; he is not aware of such; recipient dies in subsequent explosion.  He shouldn't be held liable for the death of the person, as he was not aware of the content of the parcel.

 

Digital Mailman: 'Delivers' parcel; knows its a bomb but doesn't care; knows if he delivers, recipient dies in subsequent explosion. He should be held liable for the death of the person, as he was aware of the content of the parcel and the obvious result of delivering such.

 

Well you certainly are articulated. And why am i letter-san :3. Anywho. The priate bay is not just a site for "copyright infringing content" you can find loads of stuff "linked" to legitimate material that are free for distribution Like cory doctrow's Content, which is a very good read. If I was TPB i would assume most definitely  that all types of bit and byes would be sent including the so called "infringing content" but assumption is never the basis for any sort of conviction. You cannot assume that. If they did then they would be no better then the copyright holders themselves. But yea i see what you mean. This is just people trying to mess with loop holes and make a profit out of it. That maybe the case on the surface but there is a deeper side to it. Allowing a tiny crack can lead to the collapse of an entire system. When you allow COMPANIES abuse their power to invade the privacy of people then what you have done is allowed a very deep long crack to be made. a crack that can be exploited with mush more freedom by the world governemnts. Have you read the shit's that has occured in china, australia, UK due to this "surveilance"? Have you seen how all these whistle blowers are being blased as terrorists because they were able to evade governemnt snooping for the longest time? If we don't stop this opening, tracking of "letters" then we are looking at a bleary future. I mean your handing your internet freedom(the greatest tool for communication) on a silver platter. As for your sensitive question on pornography. stuff of that nature has been made illegal for moral sake not for monetary sake. I mean we are really comparing apples to oranges here. Sure both are fruits just like both types of contents are illegal. but the reason/intent for each being illegal is for different. I dont need to go into detail as to why that particular pornography is wrong. Their are lengthy discussions about that but i can say those who declared the sharing of bits and bytes to be illegal are not the ones creating the content, on the contrary those same content makers are supporting piracy like OPted articel said, they themselves originated due to their desire to make money off of anothers work. So it's like the 16 year old that is going to be sentenced to prison bu thinks if i cry hard enough i'll get away with it.

On the side can anyone explain to me why people in the music industry, who have already gotten there name out there, dont create websites with adds of their own so that people can dl their content. Because apparently they only receive 1% of all the revenue from their sales: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100712/23482610186.shtml

 

AND no The Question i am not attacking you or anything. I'm just sharing some stuff that came to my mind as i read your post. So no hard feelings please.

[The Question]

 

 

 

Right, time to rant. I find this absolutely stupid! Meaning the arresting and sentencing of the founders/co-founders of TPB. All they did was set up a unique way to share files with each other. It is up to the person sharing the file to make sure that THEY are not breaking any copyright laws... its the same with MegaUpload... Dot Kom did nothing wrong. He was providing a means for people to share files, and once again its the individual user who should make sure that no copyright laws are being broken in doing so. Why should the owners be the ones to suffer the consequences...

 

Sunde will now serve the eight-month jail sentence handed down in 2010 for breaching copyright law. Sunde was also fined 46 million SEK (nearly $7 million) at the time.

The Pirate Bay website turned 10 years old last August, and continues to function — although the website notes it is now run by an organization, rather than individuals, and is registered in the Seychelles.

- source

 

If they (the people who are shouting about laws being broken) are so worried about business being taken away from them and losing money from the billions they are already making, then all the resources put into capturing, prosecuting and jailing the founder/s should be put into shutting down the site itself. Kill a weed at its roots, just breaking it off at the surface won't do jack shit... Look at TBP, its still up and running despite its history with it having to move its servers around on top of everything else. Sure another torrent sharing site may pop up, but if it gets all the sites get shut down and the Officials/Law gets on top of it, people will be very discouraged to start up another torrent sharing site. 

 

You also got to ask the question then, what about nyaa.se and Kickass, never mind the other few hundred that do the same thing. Why weren't their owners/users targeted. You cant tell me that officials didn't know about these sites...

 

According to this wikipedia article, the judge found Sunde and Co. guilty of "assisting in making copyright content available" and here, on TPB's About page is pretty much what I have been getting to:

 

Only torrent files are saved at the server. That means no copyrighted and/or illegal material are stored by us. It is therefore not possible to hold the people behind The Pirate Bay responsible for the material that is being spread using the tracker. Any complaints from copyright and/or lobby organizations will be ridiculed and published at the site.

 

They did nothing wrong...

 

Regarding the article in this thread, I think its sad how they can allow him to attend his dads funeral, but has to be handcuffed ... As it was mentioned, he hasn't killed anyone, he is not a threat to anyones life, he is not a hardened criminal, and he will be with 2 guards, so whats even the point of the handcuffs... 

 

I did as much research as I could during this, so if you know something that I don't, then please by all means, mention it.

He was able to go to the funeral without handcuffs. That's the recent update. Any who the issue isn't copyrights. The issue is the blatant disregard of vital civil rights. Just suggesting the shutting down of these sites is just as wrong. That would only stoke their beliefs and bypass the real issue. Think of these sites as postal services. And think of the data as letters. Then you will see what I mean. What there resources need to be used on is coming up of a way for them to make money with current condition of technology. Not to destroy the vital civil rights of people for their own monetary gain. Read the following article

http://torrentfreak.com/letter-copyright-monopoly-140921/

 

*sighs* Here we are again and I'm about to jump into something I don't want to just because I have nothing better to do. I'll try and keep this short and sweet, and to the point.

Hi again, Mr. Letter-san. Let's just lay a few things on the table, as far as I'm personally concerned:

 

1. We're pirates; we download copyrighted material without paying; that's stealing; that's illegal
2. Do I think the copyright owners are abusing their power? Short answer: Yes.
3. Do I think the copyright owners are in the wrong, overall? Short answer: No.
4. The more I think about that letter analogy, the more I dislike it and consider it a fallacy.
5. Whoever thought 'Hollywood' cared is stupid (sorry); it's always been the copyright owners that were ones screaming foul.
6. This is battle of concepts; of semantics and technicality; a battle of excuses and loopholes.

So, those few things out of the way, let's talk.

 

Let's start off by taking a look at TPB (The Pirate Bay). As far as I was last aware, the site does not host the files themselves; the merely hotlink/magnet--whatever you call it--, the files from it's original source elsewhere; the source is not directly affiliated with the site. My first question would become, as it was with the Megaupload incident, are they making profit, e.g ad revenue? I personally wouldn't know, as I have Adblock, but that's a moot point.

That's one difference between the Megaupload and PirateBay; where the files are hosted/located. The Megaupload had a notorious reputation for piracy, but you weren't able to just search for the content; you had to have the link provided by the uploader. I believe copyrighted material was taken down by the owners/staff originally and then such powers were extended to the copyright owners themselves, but to no avail-- VIVA LA MEGA--, *coughs*.

 

Kim Dotcom bloody well knew that copyrighted material was being uploaded to his site, on a massive scale, and only made half-heartened attempts to fix the solution. I mean, why would he? He was making millions upon millions of dollars through users' premium subscription. And you know what, us who pirated anime/TV shows, we loved it. We loved Megaupload. 

Now as to why PirateBay is under the magnifying glass? I don't know ever little detail regarding this whole state of affairs from its conception, but I will make an educated guess and assume because it's a popular-- probably the most popular and [now] well known--, pirate site. It's become a monster, and you know one of the most affective way of killing a monster, i.e. the suppliers of pirated goods? Cut off the head. Unfortunately, that isn't so affective when the monster is a motherf******* HYDRA!

 

I'm not well versed when it comes to how the PirateBay conducts themselves. I will assume-- correct me if I'm wrong--, that because the files aren't hosted by them, they aren't technically required to remove anything, which is why it has been such a heated battle between the site and the copyright owners. 

Allow me to use an extreme example: If I replaced all the copyrighted material and replaced it with other illegal material, such as say, child pornography, would the PirateBay would the still be in the position to hold a straight face and say it's no liable, as its not hosting the content?

 

Ah well thats good news. Glad somebody had some sense to realize that that wasn't exactly the right thing to do.

 

Alright, so if I understand you correctly (and the article), the suggestion is that we should have the right to send data ("letters") anonymously and without anyone else knowing, correct?

 

While I do agree with that (it's just something that I don't think will ever change now - its too late to imo), my point was that it shouldn't be the "mailman" getting jailed, fined etc. He is merely the method of transporter/middle man, I.E. the tracker. He is providing a service that, unfortunately, users have now decided to exploit and turn into distributing illegal content and thus the whole copyright now comes into play.

 

But yeah, thats a whole nother aspect of it.  

 

Firstly, the analogue (non-digital) mailman isn't aware of the content of which he's delivering and as say, shouldn't be held liable; digital mailman, e.g. Piratebay KNOW that what they're 'delivering' is illegal, stolen content, but deliver it anyway, for which I love them for.

To make my point clear, allow me to use another extreme example:

Analogue Mailman: Delivers parcel; it's a bomb; he is not aware of such; recipient dies in subsequent explosion.  He shouldn't be held liable for the death of the person, as he was not aware of the content of the parcel.

 

Digital Mailman: 'Delivers' parcel; knows its a bomb but doesn't care; knows if he delivers, recipient dies in subsequent explosion. He should be held liable for the death of the person, as he was aware of the content of the parcel and the obvious result of delivering such.

 

Well you certainly are articulated. And why am i letter-san :3. Anywho. The priate bay is not just a site for "copyright infringing content" you can find loads of stuff "linked" to legitimate material that are free for distribution Like cory doctrow's Content, which is a very good read. If I was TPB i would assume most definitely  that all types of bit and byes would be sent including the so called "infringing content" but assumption is never the basis for any sort of conviction. You cannot assume that. If they did then they would be no better then the copyright holders themselves. But yea i see what you mean. This is just people trying to mess with loop holes and make a profit out of it. That maybe the case on the surface but there is a deeper side to it. Allowing a tiny crack can lead to the collapse of an entire system. When you allow COMPANIES abuse their power to invade the privacy of people then what you have done is allowed a very deep long crack to be made. a crack that can be exploited with mush more freedom by the world governemnts. Have you read the shit's that has occured in china, australia, UK due to this "surveilance"? Have you seen how all these whistle blowers are being blased as terrorists because they were able to evade governemnt snooping for the longest time? If we don't stop this opening, tracking of "letters" then we are looking at a bleary future. I mean your handing your internet freedom(the greatest tool for communication) on a silver platter. As for your sensitive question on pornography. stuff of that nature has been made illegal for moral sake not for monetary sake. I mean we are really comparing apples to oranges here. Sure both are fruits just like both types of contents are illegal. but the reason/intent for each being illegal is for different. I dont need to go into detail as to why that particular pornography is wrong. Their are lengthy discussions about that but i can say those who declared the sharing of bits and bytes to be illegal are not the ones creating the content, on the contrary those same content makers are supporting piracy like OPted articel said, they themselves originated due to their desire to make money off of anothers work. So it's like the 16 year old that is going to be sentenced to prison bu thinks if i cry hard enough i'll get away with it.

On the side can anyone explain to me why people in the music industry, who have already gotten there name out there, dont create websites with adds of their own so that people can dl their content. Because apparently they only receive 1% of all the revenue from their sales: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100712/23482610186.shtml

 

AND no The Question i am not attacking you or anything. I'm just sharing some stuff that came to my mind as i read your post. So no hard feelings please.

 

First and foremost, I accept you're not attacking me and that this discussion is completely civil, and exists for the purpose of a mutual expansion of our knowledge and perspective on this hot topic. Secondly, please don't ask me to speak verbally. I'm not articulate then. I go off on tangents like a cat goes after a laser point.

 

I understand that PirateBay has lots of legitimate content for legitimate users (not pirates), but that didn't stop Megaupload being taken down, and if you kept up with that story, you'd know people lots a lot of their personal, irreplaceable files, as the site hosted the content themselves. Piratebay only 'magnets' you to legitimate content that exists elsewhere, so it's in less of a position to argue on that point than even Megaupload was.

Not to mention, the fact that there is legitimate users' argument is moot. That's not even something that should be brought up as point of argument. It's very much a bad apple and the barrel analogy, except its a lot more than one apple spoiling the lot. In regard to the PirateBay owners and/or whoever is handling the site at this point not knowing of the content on their site, not at this point. It gets complicated when the servers, users, etc. are based worldwide, or more importantly, outside of the USA, but they do have far reach, considering their ongoing political and economical turmoil.

Now, this crack. Coincidentally, what you're referring to is somewhat I avoided going into in my lost post, so let's touch on it here. Now, I'm going to be very optimistic  and assume that whatever 'powers' the copyright owners, or whoever, are trying to obtain, are for good intentions and primarily to stop the piracy of their copyrighted goods and nothing more. The problem is that some of their methods of stopping piracy are starting to... overlap into other aspects of our online privacy that're unrelated to the original issue.

Although, you've got to realise something. [As far as I know] the COs (Copyright Owners) only started requesting the powers and these bills/legislation to be passed after we started pirating like their was no tommorow. We tread on their toes first-- worse, we tread on their toes, and then look them in eyes and started grinding our heel. In some ways, I think we put ourselves in this situation.

In regard to your apples vs oranges comment, I understand what you mean-- I did call it an extreme example--, but my point is still valid. We're not talking about why the laws exists; and we're not talking about specific of the laws. I was making reference to the concept of distribution of illegal goods; keeping things on a conceptual levels makes things more simple.

Again, the point was that you have some form of material; you're not meant to have it. Mind you, such an example couldn't exist. The fact of the matter is, CP is, I believe, illegal in all countries and isn't something you'd blatantly show off like PirateBay does with its [entirely different] content. Anyway, you understood my point and I'm straying - back on topic.

To your final question: I couldn't say. I know some of the newer bands do it; make a website hosting samples of their songs, with offers for sale of their entire work, but let's not get too much in that topic. 

 

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Thank you for th dialogue.