Murder & Peace

[shyguysteve]

If you were the leader of a civilization how would you handle "murder" ?

Do you cast the one who committed the murder out of society, kill him/her the same way they murdered, confine them, or maybe you have an idea completely different.

Also about "peace" how would you maintain peace? over conflicts and rivaling people who want the currency permitted and recognized for trade. Aka how would you handle money?

(side question) If peace could be attained or set in motion by the death of one innocent person whom you have not and possibly will not ever meet, would you kill the innocent one?

I was looking for a thread like this but i didn't see any, well the death penalty was close but generally about decision to kill someone for severe crimes. so this is one is about how "you" as a leader would handle the responsibility.

[CaNzCo]

There are a lot of aspects to look at...

Premeditated murder is just wrong in my opinion, but if the person is insane (which I think quite a few murderers are) death may not be the answer. The same may go for those who are still young. It is a scientific fact that their brains do not function at full capacity until far into adulthood, and though most kids don't murder people, almost all of them fail to see the repercussions of there actions. Finally there is involuntary manslaughter, such as when you are mentally impaired by drugs or just plain suck at driving. I don't care to go even more in-depth into this since I am sure you all get my point.

If I were leader, these criminals, as well as many others would be put to work in some tough, manual labor industry. Other than pedophiles and the criminally insane, the people could work until their debt to society is paid off... this may be thirty years or just a couple depending on the crime, however this could be a very marketable industry since nothing really beats slave labor in terms of payroll. If they don't work, they starve to death, since they are working for their room and board too. I am pretty sure if people are hungry enough, they will do anything. This kind of system may be a bit cruel, but it isn't quite as lethal, and it has a possibility of reform since people probably wouldn't want to return to slavery.

The way I would attain peace is having as many nukes as possible, a decent self defense force, absolutely no military navy or foreign bases, and a strict isolationist and neutral policy for when other nations are in a conflict. I would make a very difficult to forge ID system and make doing anything in this country rely on showing it. I would also encourage people with every possible means to be against foreigners in the country, regardless of origin or race. People who are convicted of being an alien are put into slavery until they can pay for the boat to deport them. Citizens are allowed to leave temporarily, but if they are gone for more than a year, their citizenship is revoked. This should discourage any other nation from getting involved too much with us, as well as stop us from making problems with other nations. I would even consider a wall if I was surrounded by other countries. We will also refuse amnesty, and export criminals even if they are citizens. There will be a way to become a citizen in my kingdom, but it will be so difficult that it makes the US system look easy.

I do not want to take away peoples rights for public safety however. Freedom of speech is granted, as well as the right to bear arms, however, the military and the police are interchangeable in my kingdom, so law breakers are going to be fighting trained, professional soldiers... not some fat jerk with a complex and no education. I will not use surveillance systems on my people, and I will try to show that I trust my own nation to do what is right. I would let them see the world around them through unrestricted internet access, as well as show all of my own policies. A transparent government may be frightening to a democracy, but in a kingdom, people will just know what I am doing. They may disagree with it, but it will not stop them from happening. The benefit is that people may gain a sense of trust in knowing what I am trying to accomplish.

[rebelkid24]

Basically what your asking is, if you were the leader of a country/society, then what would be your ideal world? How would you as a leader handle your power? Am I right or completely off?

In my ideal world the first and most important rule would be:

everyone is created equal.

I'm not just saying that either, I mean it. Yeah the people who wrote the constitution for the US said that, but they didn't mean it. In our society (past, present, and probably future), what people really mean/meant is that "All people are created equal, but some people are more equal than others." That wouldn't be the case in my society/country. Everyone would equal jobs. By that I mean, each job someone does is something that the society needs (such as farming, making clothes, etc). Anyway, everyone would have a quota to fill so that everyone get's a fair share of necessary items. Rewards would be given to people who work hard and go the extra mile in order to do their job right. And whoever is in power will have to do a job as well (and I don't mean that their job is to rule). I have to get off now, but I will finish this at a later time. It might get complicated haha

[rebelkid24]

Basically what your asking is, if you were the leader of a country/society, then what would be your ideal world? How would you as a leader handle your power? Am I right or completely off?

In my ideal world the first and most important rule would be:

everyone is created equal.

I'm not just saying that either, I mean it. Yeah the people who wrote the constitution for the US said that, but they didn't mean it. In our society (past, present, and probably future), what people really mean/meant is that "All people are created equal, but some people are more equal than others." That wouldn't be the case in my society/country. Everyone would equal jobs. By that I mean, each job someone does is something that the society needs (such as farming, making clothes, etc). Anyway, everyone would have a quota to fill so that everyone get's a fair share of necessary items. Rewards would be given to people who work hard and go the extra mile in order to do their job right. And whoever is in power will have to do a job as well (and I don't mean that their job is to rule). I have to get off now, but I will finish this at a later time. It might get complicated haha

okay to continue where i left off, for the reward system, there will be limited rewards at one time so that no one is more wealthy than the next person but the people are still motivated to work hard and do their best. There won't be any money system just everyone chipping in so that everyone has a fair share. Also, everyone will have the same education and it will be well rounded. Whoever the leader is, they are elected by the people, there aren't any campaigns tot try and get the people to vote a certain way and there won't be any "political parties." In fact, whoever is chosen won't even know they are being considered. The people will choose based on who they've observed and who they think deserve the honor of being leader. The leader will have to fill certain criteria: they have to love the people of the country and they have to value honor and integrity above anything else (other than the people of the country) they have to accept that their time in "power" is limited. A person will have the right to refuse if they are elected. If that is the case, then there will be another election. Each leader will serve for a limited time so that no one has power forever, and once your term is over, you cannot be re-elected again. Honor and integrity are taught at a young age. As for controlling crime, there will be a small number of police force, but they will be held to an even stricter standard than anyone else. They protect the people and will have to be incorruptible no matter what. If a person on the police force shows any sign of being corrupt they are automatically banished from the country. Crimes will be murder, stealing, assault, abuse, sexual misconduct, rape, molestation. Anyone who commits a crime is held in a court by the people of the country and the punishment will be decided by them. Each accused person will have the right to be defended, and each person of the court will have to be unbiased.

If this were an actual world, I hope there would be peace and that it would last for a long time. I blended the ideas of communism, socialism, and democracy. I know this is impossible and would never happen and even if it were to be attempted, it wouldn't last for long. Someone would be corrupt, change the rules so that it suits them, and then everything would go back to the way it was before during our time now. Oh well, one can hope.

I hope I answered your question

[rebelkid24]

Oh and to answer your other question about if peace could be attained but in order to accomplish it you'd have to kill an innocent person you've never met before, would I kill them? No because I don't believe that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. That's a hypocritical statement, the few are the many. If I have to kill innocence in order to gain peace, then that goes against everything peace is supposed to be and it wouldn't really be peace.