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While I agree this is an issue, like the first response said this would definitely turn off potential traffic, but technically the solution you offered is certainly possible.

Yep it will put people like you out of business, ROFL xD Kinda annoys me to see people posting 15 posts too fast. They are usually small responses but hey I don't mind, I usually post around this much anyways. I seem to be only posting stuff like this lately for me own amusement o.O

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I most likely wouldn't have much right saying anything about all this but quite a few people here have roughly said what i've wanted to say. Ok currently for the past couple of months or so i've slowly died off from this forum because of family problems right now getting fairly serious, other than that i've at times have came on to check out some of the topics but when ever I go to state my own comment someone else seems to have beaten me to it. When ever someone says something I had planned to say I just don't like the feeling of posting something very similar to it leaving me to just continuing to browse around here and there. With commenting something about the anime i've downloaded I will say straight up that i'm sorry for not commenting or so as I do tend to forget quite a bit to say something.

Anyway just wanted to throw that out there and to also say that this is a good forum with some interesting stuff being talked about and all now and then and to also say thanks to the people who uploaded some of the anime I got from here.

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when ever I go to state my own comment someone else seems to have beaten me to it. When ever someone says something I had planned to say I just don't like the feeling of posting something very similar to it leaving me to just continuing to browse around here and there. With commenting something about the anime i've downloaded I will say straight up that i'm sorry for not commenting or so as I do tend to forget quite a bit to say something.

I don't understand how this is entirely possible unless all you want to post are simple statements like, "I like this series because the music is super cool" and "My favourite games are MGS and SSBM".

Once again, just because your statements can be compressed into a simple statement like "I like this show" doesn't mean that people don't want to hear why exactly you like something. There is plenty of background and context that can be given. When it comes to recommendations, just because a bunch of people recommend it doesn't mean it's a compelling reason to try something new. Being recommended something by people who have liked similar things as you do, however, can be, even if the majority dislike it.

So you may think, "Yes, this show has great music and I like the acting", but that doesn't mean anything to me if you think screamo metal constitutes great music and you are okay with actors who wouldn't even be able to hack it in the worst of pornos. And maybe you really dislike this other movie, but that could mean nothing to me if you just don't like musicals and find opera to be the scum of all music.

People should stop underestimating themselves and their ability to contribute to a forum. I'll be the first to admit, and I have already earlier in this thread, that what I say isn't often original. The gist of what I say can often be compressed into one or two sentences, but they would be largely meaningless and contribute absolutely nothing.

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Adding a time limit in between posts would most likley disencourage new memebers to contribute to the forums, sure some are spammers but what about those looking for a new forum to join? The time limit between posts would really turn them off joining unless they are really determined.

Sure There are multiple ways we can try and fix this problem that range from uping the post count to download again to making the a wait time on posts for new members. Personally I still think the best method to take would be to increase the post count to access the download thread, sure we won't make it to high at a better level then it is now. 15 posts was better than the original 5 but im still seeing a lot of people who stop at 15 just so they can access the download thread.

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I understand what you mean. Sure another memeber of the forum could have said what you were going to say in the topic, lets say they said "Naruto is my favourite anime because it can be funny but has a lot of action in it". Now I might have wanted to say the same thing which in could put me off posting in fear of stating another opinion. But your own opinion can be made different by adding things that are unique to you, such as "Naruto is my favourite anime due to it is full of action, has a bit of a comdey side to it but mostly because of it awesome storyline! The Story is also backed up by the awesome soundtrack, that helps sell the moment, it really pulls you into the anime!"

@Download Thread Post Count:

Where it is true most of the time all I say is "Thanks for the uploads" or "Thanks for all your hard work, it's really appreciated", I really have trouble trying to think of stuff to say in the download threads, sure I want to say thanks so the uploader feels somewhat happy for uploading the anime but other than that If I don't know the anime all that well all I can really add after that is "I have heard that this anime is good" or "This anime looks good to watch"

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I don't understand how this is entirely possible unless all you want to post are simple statements like, "I like this series because the music is super cool" and "My favourite games are MGS and SSBM".

Once again, just because your statements can be compressed into a simple statement like "I like this show" doesn't mean that people don't want to hear why exactly you like something. There is plenty of background and context that can be given. When it comes to recommendations, just because a bunch of people recommend it doesn't mean it's a compelling reason to try something new. Being recommended something by people who have liked similar things as you do, however, can be, even if the majority dislike it.

So you may think, "Yes, this show has great music and I like the acting", but that doesn't mean anything to me if you think screamo metal constitutes great music and you are okay with actors who wouldn't even be able to hack it in the worst of pornos. And maybe you really dislike this other movie, but that could mean nothing to me if you just don't like musicals and find opera to be the scum of all music.

People should stop underestimating themselves and their ability to contribute to a forum. I'll be the first to admit, and I have already earlier in this thread, that what I say isn't often original. The gist of what I say can often be compressed into one or two sentences, but they would be largely meaningless and contribute absolutely nothing.

Yeah thats true but its just the way I am, I don't know but I just feel weird saying something that someone has already just about said what I was gonna say. All of us are different of course and I just wanted to have my say in here so people can roughly understand me a little better to a degree if thats possible.

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As far as discussion in the download threads go, I don't mind much that it's light on conversation. It keeps the thread less cluttered, haha. I don't know what the uploaders think, but if someone wants to talk about a particular anime or television show or musical artist, it would be better served in more public parts of the forum.

I don't know what a higher post limit will do since I'm not familiar with how other fora that deal with downloads of this nature handle this issue. I'm not against higher post count minimums, and if it's something Koby wants to seriously consider, an announcement regarding the pending increase might get some lurkers out of the woodwork to complain if nothing else, haha.

Yeah thats true but its just the way I am, I don't know but I just feel weird saying something that someone has already just about said what I was gonna say. All of us are different of course and I just wanted to have my say in here so people can roughly understand me a little better to a degree if thats possible.

Don't get me wrong, I can sympathise. There are many topics that I would like to contribute to but have nothing of substance to say, so I just lurk. However, that doesn't stop me from participating in other parts of the forum that I am more familiar and comfortable with.

You'll rarely, if ever, see me post in the anime section of this forum, but I do read and moderate posts in there. You will, however, see me in the literature and general section quite a bit. There's nothing wrong with hanging out in only one or two areas of the forum if that's what you're comfortable with. I just don't think there's that large of a group of people here who are so uninteresting they have nothing at all to say in the various parts of the forum because everyone else has said it.

I'm just here to hang out and get to know people--for me, it's not about dissertations and analyses of various motifs and symbolism. That's why I hang out in the forum games, that why I talk about peeing in the shower, that's why I talk about being in the military, eating trail mix one part at a time, and being a hobo. That's why I told everyone about how my Civic got messed up and we had to buy another car, why I even mention I'm married to Java. I want to, in the least creepy way possible, get to know people here. This has been my Internet home for several years and it used to be quite the community back in the day!

It makes me sad to see people post 15 times and then never again. It makes me sad when I'm looking through a thread and I see five pages of nothing but people with 15 or fewer posts, no avatars or signatures, and posting only one or two sentences. As far as I'm concerned, they might as well all be the same person.

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Don't get me wrong, I can sympathise. There are many topics that I would like to contribute to but have nothing of substance to say, so I just lurk. However, that doesn't stop me from participating in other parts of the forum that I am more familiar and comfortable with.

You'll rarely, if ever, see me post in the anime section of this forum, but I do read and moderate posts in there. You will, however, see me in the literature and general section quite a bit. There's nothing wrong with hanging out in only one or two areas of the forum if that's what you're comfortable with. I just don't think there's that large of a group of people here who are so uninteresting they have nothing at all to say in the various parts of the forum because everyone else has said it.

I'm just here to hang out and get to know people--for me, it's not about dissertations and analyses of various motifs and symbolism. That's why I hang out in the forum games, that why I talk about peeing in the shower, that's why I talk about being in the military, eating trail mix one part at a time, and being a hobo. That's why I told everyone about how my Civic got messed up and we had to buy another car, why I even mention I'm married to Java. I want to, in the least creepy way possible, get to know people here. This has been my Internet home for several years and it used to be quite the community back in the day!

It makes me sad to see people post 15 times and then never again. It makes me sad when I'm looking through a thread and I see five pages of nothing but people with 15 or fewer posts, no avatars or signatures, and posting only one or two sentences. As far as I'm concerned, they might as well all be the same person.

I do go into other topics like never stick to one but most of the time i'm just there to read and not quite comment or state an opinion. Depending on the topics or things said I may say something here and there but it just varies on whats there and whats said. I used to participate in the good vs evil topic but that does tend to get boring for a little while even though some conversations do start up but most of the time they die down fairly quick. I suppose I could say that it is sad to see people with just 15 posts knowing the fact that they're only here for the downloads and thats it, me on the other hand for one did come here through trying to download something and can't remember what it was but as its a typical forum I do enjoy browsing around and joining in some of the conversations although not alot but every now and then you'd see a post from me somewhere.

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I must ask then, if ya’ll think that having the post limit on downloads is actually more detrimental than not having it at all? Indeed, have that requirement makes people who desire the video post to your forums, but if the quality of these posts are so low, are they really worth having them? Perhaps it would be better just to let them leech and go on their day.

The 15 post requirement will result in a lot of forum clog with members at a stagnant 15 post count. This will also serve as a deterrent to more serious potential members, as (if they know the rule) they will think that that is all the site has to offer.

On the forum that I have been on for 7 years, what kept me there were a few things: Nice conversation with people I liked to talk to, a constant generation of creativity, the ability to get resources (this was a forum for artistic resources for game development and modification), the ability to request resources, and competition. I have already looked over and seen that you do have a competition section, and you also have a place for graphics. However, perhaps it would be a good idea and expand to other kinds of artistic sections as well, such as for custom music or fan-based video (AMV’s anyone).

Also, one more thing. I tried to customize my Avatar, but it said I didn’t have the appropriate permissions… Do I need a certain post count?

~Asomath

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Your question regarding your inability to edit your avatar and signature is a question we get a lot and is covered in the FAQ. [Link.]

I don't exactly know what the philosophy behind the fifteen posts is since I was on hiatus for a while, but I do know that it used to be five. And before that, one. I don't know if there was a point where it used to be that there wasn't a post requirement, but I trust that Koby has his reasons for having the limit in place. It has been mentioned somewhere that other fora that serve downloads have a much higher post requirement.

Not having a post requirement will likely just result in a clog of people with zero posts vice fifteen, and I'm uncertain that's necessarily a better alternative so much as it is the current issue with a different face. At least at this point, it helps with forum activity. I believe the requirement was put into place because, at some point, no one was posting at all and most members did nothing but leech off the downloads, resulting in a ghost town of a forum.

If you are looking for a place to post AMVs, look here. [Link.] It is in the Art and Literature section, which, as you may have guessed, is where people post their... art and literature. The Entertainment subforum is also available for people to post their musical works that aren't AMVs--there's even a thread where people are able to post their singing or playing of various musical instruments.

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The five post count was to try to stimulate activity on the forum. Koby then instituted the fifteen post rule since he was getting sick of people spamming to five posts as fast as they can. Really fifteen isnt that much, some forums with smaller download indexs require over 50 posts to access their downloads.

As for the download post count, honestly does it really matter? People will post there either way, and so all that it will do is reduce everyones post count.

And EO, AMV's would normally go into the Otaku Releases, not the Art and Lit section

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I take it you didn't even click on the link I provided before attempting to correct me--Otaku Releases, which I specifically linked to in my post (and I didn't even mislink it or anything, since anyone can see that I haven't edited my post), is a subforum of the Art and Literature section. I pointed it out because he mentioned expanding the forum to include various creative endeavours. But yes, I am well aware of where AMVs go and am not trying to misdirect people.

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The big thing is the downtime the server experienced hurt this forum. I wouldn't recommend beating down new users to hard till the forum becomes a little more lively. There is also the option of reducing the required post count that would reduce spam. I get it you don’t just want a bunch of leaches but the threads are rather inactive and it is hard to find something to post.

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I do read old threads and delete spam that's years old, so if you guys see something, I personally don't mind it being reported. I do comb through the entire thread for other problems, so please don't report fifty posts from one thread, haha. I also would like if people report threads that need to be merged with relevant threads linked.

I usually deal with reports first thing when I log in--you can generally catch me on Google Talk, MSN, or FB to let me know about forum stuff and I'll pop on. I get GTalk messages on my phone, so if I'm playing a game, I can still be reached.

[...] till the forum becomes a little more lively. There is also the option of reducing the required post count that would reduce spam. [...] it is hard to find something to post.

Except, as mentioned a couple times by myself and a long-term regular, having the reduced post count requirement would result in less activity, for better and for worse--mostly worse, as it would likely once again result in a dead forum. I think we've had this discussion a while ago that activity here is primarily, unfortunately, propped up by leechers seeking to gain their 15 posts because we are lacking a core group of people to keep activity on the forum regular. I am trying to do my part to pare it down by deleting terrible posts so people don't think it's okay, but it is kind of a giant job, haha.

I still find it difficult to believe that people have a hard time to say something when you can talk about virtually anything. Maybe I'm just unlikable and scaring away people, haha.

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Erm, do you mean make the downloads invite only or make the forum as a whole invite only?

I believe the downloads may have sort of been an invite only thing with the Crusader+ monikers--though it was given to you when you were deemed "worthy", as it were, of the title. It was at a time I was not active on the forum so I'm uncertain if that is what it was for--I ran into it a little while ago while archive diving. I don't know if that's something the admins would want or if it would be particularly beneficial for the forum as it stands now in terms of activity.

Making the entire forum invite only will probably never happen, and I'm fairly certain that's not what you were referring to.

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Hey, normally I just ignore spammers (hell, I spammed myself the very first time I arrived on Kametsu and was then banned), but I think its time we started talking about some action.

I like to visit the Naruto section quite often and I do get excited when I see the titles of threads in bold, meaning there's new posts on them, and potentially something to talk about. However, I always do get a bit pissed when I scan down the names of the latest poster and its all the same poster.

Now, obviously, when we get something like that, they're spamming to quickly get to 15 posts, so as to gain access to the downloads section. So I thought long and hard about this (i.e. about 5 seconds) and I'm going to throw out a suggestion.

How about we cap the number of posts newbies can post, like you have to wait 5/10 minutes between each post, and once they hit, say 20 or 30, remove the cap. Is it possible to do this within the websites programming (I haven't a clue about web code or HTML or whatever)? Is my suggestion too harsh? Let me know what you think.

That cap would just turn me off as a legitimate user. I would have found that annoying and just said screw this site if thats how it was going to be. Most people come to this site for the downloads more than likely, not for the forum chats.

If you took off the needing 15 posts to do anything then people wouldnt feel inclined to spam stuff because there was no need for them to post to begin with.

If someone just wants to access the downloads and doesnt care about the forum then of course they will probly spam because you make them post in order to be able to do anything.

If you were going to do a limit like you mentioned above Id make it no longer than 1-2 minutes.

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Perhaps, but most liekly a no-no. We would lose tonnes of members, and we want as much discussion as possible.

However, since it was used before, we could come up with a new way to use it (if it's possible) and perhaps it might just work.

Why not do what Demonoid does?

They have invite only BUT once or twice a week on random days they have open registrations where anyone can join.

Then you have invites and on those specific days anyone can sign up so an invite isnt always required.

also about losing tons of members. if those people are only spamming to get enough to get to the downloads I dont think its much of a member or discussions going to be going on. They seem to only want the downloads?

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I don't want Kametsu to turn into some snobby place. An invite only forum as a whole doesn't sit well with me.

That cap would just turn me off as a legitimate user. I would have found that annoying and just said screw this site if thats how it was going to be. Most people come to this site for the downloads more than likely, not for the forum chats.

If you took off the needing 15 posts to do anything then people wouldnt feel inclined to spam stuff because there was no need for them to post to begin with.

If someone just wants to access the downloads and doesnt care about the forum then of course they will probly spam because you make them post in order to be able to do anything.

If you were going to do a limit like you mentioned above Id make it no longer than 1-2 minutes.

I may be in the minority, but for as long as I have been here, Kametsu is and always has been a discussion forum first and a download locale second. I wasn't here when it used to be Dark Fantasy, but I was here when it used to be Forgotten Memories and there wasn't any sign of downloads to be seen. It used to be a lot more active and was more or less set up exactly the way it is now with the exception of the downloads.

So when people say things like that, that a higher download cap would turn them off as a legitimate user, that doesn't strike me as something a legitimate user would say. To me, a legitimate user is someone who is interested in being on the forum as a member of the community, not someone who is just interested in downloads. That most people come primarily for downloads and has no interest in chatting on the forum is not a good thing for the forum.

And again, removing the limit would be a death sentence upon the forum. I've said it several times and if you dig back through the old news archives, you can see what has happened to the forum in the past when people never posted and only downloads. The whole place died. As it stands now, whether we like it or not, the forum is propped up by the activity of these leechers and has been ever since I returned from my sojourn away from here.

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