kaoru Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 This is actually kind of true. Anyone who watches porn is usually considered a pervert. Keyword: Considered. Like everyone else has said though, it's not really unusual behavior, but for some reason people feel like they should keep to a code of silence and assumes that it's outside the norm. It's kind of a strange phenomena.Yeah I agree. It's one of those "secrets" that everybody knows but also pretend not to anyway, I never got it either; although there is such a thing as "too much information" (depending on who you're speaking to obviously), but in my opinion there shouldn't be, if people were more honest on these (and other) subjects, perhaps no one would ever have to fall under the assumption they are unusual, which is unlikely in any case You mean it's not normal now? Fetish balls, corsetry parties, the list goes on. Then again, maybe that's just the world I live in ... I like my world, it has rainbows! Hehe you perfectly illustrated the point I was trying to make. Exactly, it is normal, go for it! Have your cat-eared mistress hand-whip the hell out of your lubricated thighs, it's okay (and possibly worth it ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Welsh Paddy Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 Porn is a whole chapter of growing up. I mean seriously, any teen who has never watched any sort of porn must have had a very sheltered upbringing. What I disagree with when it comes to porn is how extreme it can be. Like those pornstars who let themselves be slapped around and treated like shit. It gives off the completely wrong impression of women, and I personally think it's sick that they would even go through with that, let alone condone it.At the same time, however, it's a very niche market, and I believe everyone has the right to express what they want, so if it's the sort of thing you don't like, then don't watch it. But, every teen I know has gone through watching it in some form or other.As for hentai, I actually do find that to be very perverse, as it's basically some person just drawing some sick sexual fantasy of his/hers and animating it in cartoon form. Fair enough having sex in anime and comics, as long as it is part of the story, but I disagree with it when it turns out that sex IS the story. I find it too weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lokisson Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 Normally, perverted is supposed to mean "sexually deviant", meaning at least sth like homosexuality.Ummm ... that's a rather hostile statement don't you think? I have gay friends (Hel, I'm bi-sexual myself) and I don't consider them to be sexually deviant. Quite the reverse in fact, I like a little kink and some of my gay friends think I'M deviant.Bad Binky! No cookie for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulquiorra Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 I think porn is okay, what's so bad about it? The only thing to do is make sure you're 18+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuLake Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 pervert... In anime, pervert seems to equal "interested in sex", no matter in what form. Even if a guy walks accidentally in on a girl bathing (or even the other way round, for that matter) the guy's a pervert (and probably gets clobbered).Normally, perverted is supposed to mean "sexually deviant", meaning at least sth like homosexuality.Ummm ... that's a rather hostile statement don't you think? I have gay friends (Hel, I'm bi-sexual myself) and I don't consider them to be sexually deviant. Quite the reverse in fact, I like a little kink and some of my gay friends think I'M deviant.Bad Binky! No cookie for you!This has me conflicted. Technically, homosexuality IS deviant behavior, since only a small percentage of the population (in America at least, probably a bit larger in less hostile nations) claim homosexuality. So, by definition, it is outside the norm, and therefore deviant. At the same time, it is a very negative way to put that statement and I feel like it's extremely politically incorrect. You are, however, incorrect in associating homosexuality with perversion.Also, to clear any confusion, perverted means more like "distorted" or "twisted" with the connotation of something good being twisted into something bad. Sexual perversion is, in effect, taking healthy sex, and making it into something wicked. This might take the form of a sadism (as in Marquis de Sade, not fuzzy handcuffs) or a fetish (as in only being aroused by an exact scenario, not liking schoolgirls) or pedophilia. So, no, viewing pornography is not in itself perversion (though it could be if misused).So, no, homosexuality is not perversion. It is deviant in a statistical sense, but it's not really specific enough to be a fetish, and I can't see any other way to argue that it's perverted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Officer Kj Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 Given a choice, real sex is much better than both of them combined. But since that's not the topic at hand, lets see here...Real porn: Keep your girly bits out of my smut!Hentai: How in the hell does sex beat your enemies? YOU HAVE A SWORD FOR A REASON YOU STUPID BIMBO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lokisson Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 Is it wrong that I really like Kj's post? lolAwesome dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diablo Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 I like Hentai bcoz the characters can do the things real people would never do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuLake Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 I like Hentai bcoz the characters can do the things real people would never do.A number of people have posted this basic idea so far, and, maybe I'm just fucked up for looking around so much, but I've yet to see a type of hentai that hasn't in some way been done in porn. I mean, maybe you could say that some porno would be illegal where as it's okay for hentai (such as snuff films or child porn), but most of those sort of things are simulated in porn all the time (And yes, there is even live action tentacle porn). I mean, I'm not saying you should like porn over hentai or anything, but it just seems like "hentai characters can do stuff humans can't" isn't really a sound argument, at least from my experience with porn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade_13 Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 A number of people have posted this basic idea so far, and, maybe I'm just fucked up for looking around so much, but I've yet to see a type of hentai that hasn't in some way been done in porn. I mean, maybe you could say that some porno would be illegal where as it's okay for hentai (such as snuff films or child porn), but most of those sort of things are simulated in porn all the time (And yes, there is even live action tentacle porn). I mean, I'm not saying you should like porn over hentai or anything, but it just seems like "hentai characters can do stuff humans can't" isn't really a sound argument, at least from my experience with porn.i doubt there is live porn where the guy's penis acts like a living being, multiplying times in size (after already being fully erect) and starts ejaculating gallons of protein (like in Discipline), or the scenes take place in a destroyed city in mid-war and either one of or both sides take a bullet in the skull after each scene (like in Dark Shell)yes seriously i get what you're saying, but the argument "things can be done that cannot in real life" seems to work for any kind of animation, hentai or not. Potentially - it's easier to reflect whatever imagination on paper and then in animation than actually live. I dont know if thats really the case, cause well what i described in paragraph above about concludes all my experience in hentai, and porn experience is even more modest than that. I think porn is okay, what's so bad about it? The only thing to do is make sure you're 18+to be honest, i thought by the age of eighteen most porn viewers are already veteran porn viewers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vume5 Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 but it just seems like "hentai characters can do stuff humans can't" isn't really a sound argument, at least from my experience with porn.Well, maybe, but it's a lot easier to draw than to shoot (no pun intended).I haven't seen any real porn yet that comes even close to the sick stuff you see almost always in hentai, but then I haven't been looking for it either. I watch a lot of hentai since I like anime+sex but I don't get all this sex+violence/rape/degradation stuff. It doesn't bother me particularly since it's not real but I wish there'd be more "nice" hentai out there a la "Maple Colors" or "Sexfriend".To clear up a misunderstanding from my previous post, I in no way meant to imply that homosexuality was sth wicked. I was talking about how in (non-hentai)anime, any form of sexual interest seems to be considered as perverted, and that normally at the very least a sexual deviancy like homosexuality would be necessary.Hmm... though I suppose one could argue that doing it with someone of your own sex is far more of a fetish than doing it with handcuffs or whatever. Then again, it's so basic it's not really a fetish but more of an orientation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lokisson Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 I'd run with it being an orientation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuLake Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 i doubt there is live porn where the guy's penis acts like a living being, multiplying times in size (after already being fully erect) and starts ejaculating gallons of protein (like in Discipline), or the scenes take place in a destroyed city in mid-war and either one of or both sides take a bullet in the skull after each scene (like in Dark Shell)yes seriously i get what you're saying, but the argument "things can be done that cannot in real life" seems to work for any kind of animation, hentai or not. Potentially - it's easier to reflect whatever imagination on paper and then in animation than actually live. I dont know if thats really the case, cause well what i described in paragraph above about concludes all my experience in hentai, and porn experience is even more modest than that. Well, maybe, but it's a lot easier to draw than to shoot (no pun intended).I haven't seen any real porn yet that comes even close to the sick stuff you see almost always in hentai, but then I haven't been looking for it either. I watch a lot of hentai since I like anime+sex but I don't get all this sex+violence/rape/degradation stuff. It doesn't bother me particularly since it's not real but I wish there'd be more "nice" hentai out there a la "Maple Colors" or "Sexfriend".Looks like I stirred up a bit of trouble. =DI've actually seen some things like that Shade (not exactly, but that sort of thing), though it was obviously fake. Then again, hentai is also obviously fake. I suppose there is more of a suspension of disbelief going into a hentai than a porno though, so I can see how it could be perceived as more realistic. I suppose it comes down to how you prefer to view something, but, again, that's not a difference in content itself.And Vume, I'll be honest, I sometimes dig that stuff, but I also wish there was less of it. While I enjoy it, I don't particularly think it's healthy (I'm not entirely sure where I fall on the catharsis/reinforcement debate). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade_13 Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 Looks like I stirred up a bit of trouble. =DI've actually seen some things like that Shade (not exactly, but that sort of thing), though it was obviously fake. Then again, hentai is also obviously fake. I suppose there is more of a suspension of disbelief going into a hentai than a porno though, so I can see how it could be perceived as more realistic. I suppose it comes down to how you prefer to view something, but, again, that's not a difference in content itself.oh well, guess for me it's more comfortable to feel the atmosphere knowing that it was only drawn, not staged with actors and cameras...To start off another discussion: i dont really like works that concentrate mainly on showing sex just or the sake of showing it... is there not a story that has more to it but at the same time isnt infantilely (there is no such word in existence, is there) shy about showing certain scenes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catwoman Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 I watch both and whilst I enjoy some, others can be really boring or just plain nasty. Also, there seems to be a lot of things that lead me to think "been there, seen that". Some things get old too fast due to copying each others storylines, scripts or actions. I like seeing new material if available. Sadly, there isn't a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
†Irish Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 eh, as I stated earlier.I Like Hentai a bit more than real porn for the simple fact that it usually has a Believable story to it(at least the ones I watch)... and I know that people are going to be like "you know you don't watch for the story" but in all honesty, to me story makes or breaks anything i watch or play.Real Porn is often bland and boring, same story just different actors and shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Den Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 eh, as I stated earlier.I Like Hentai a bit more than real porn for the simple fact that it usually has a Believable story to it(at least the ones I watch)... and I know that people are going to be like "you know you don't watch for the story" but in all honesty, to me story makes or breaks anything i watch or play.Real Porn is often bland and boring, same story just different actors and shit.I could not agree more even though i only watched a little hentai it is certainly way better than porn cause the other side it is just the repetitive story over and over again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixela Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 I don't watch a lot of either. But when I do, I prefer real over hentai, and I stick to amateur stuff mostly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumanoidTyphoon Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 porn is stale like old chesse but hentai is exciting and actully tries to have a story fully of interesting chars but when its not a hentai i love ecchi cus its so tounge n check Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolockit Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 I've seen both for the shock value more than the fwap value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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