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depends on what you mean by the old way
if you mean in respect to religious ideas and moral ideas I believe that the "old way" if by this you also mean christianity, I believe it is the only way and will not die out
as for open mindedness in this respect I believe it is right to be civil and respect people's beliefs (for example I can't force my principles on someone who doesn't even believe my religion). But in the same vein, I am also trying to sway them to my view because that's one thing that my principles demand of me. My beef is the people that say there are many ways up the same mountain, because the component religions that they're trying to meld together don't even believe in that. That and you must be very arrogant because it is implied that you have a bird's eye view and can see that all the paths lead to the same place. If there were an easier path you would be the one to help the one struggling up a sheer cliff, right? If by open mindedness you mean respecting one another I believe that it will never really exist because of the fallen estate of man. Man is definately not perfect. There will always be those people misrepresenting religion by holding up signs saying God hates fags. and there will always be those Godless people like Hitler trying to kill of Jews. No one is exempt from this, religious or not. As long as man is imperfect close mindedness will always exist
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then try extracting the audio and seeing if it plays fine in an audio player to find out if the audio file itself is messed up or if it's how your media player is demuxing it
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glitchy how? any error messages/ problems skipping because if the file is having trouble being demuxed by corrupted tracks and the like you can get rid of problem tracks using mkvtoolnix but based on the info that's all I can offer as far as advice goes
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Now Jesus was also a messenger of god but many mistaked him to be the son of god.His enemies pursued him and put him on a cross.AHH but wait JESUS DID NOT DIE he was only lifted bodily/
Luke 22:30 "They all asked, "are you then the Son of God?"
He repliead, "You are right in saying I am"
this is one of several reference I could quote and if you say the Bible has become corrupted or have never read it so you can't say for your self (most Muslims recite one of these two responses) 1) read my giant post on the previous page it covers why the Bible hasn't been corrupted 2) get a Bible, and I don't think it's logically reasonable to say they executed the wrong man (there were lots of witnesses there how could he have ascended without anyone noticing and why would they not recognize that the man they were killing wasn't Jesus??) if you only have the testimony of one man writing one holy book it is not exactly reasonable, as well, to rely on his testimony seeing as he could have conjured up the whole thing as an individual if muhammad gives an account of this (I don't know if he did I have not studied the quran THAT in depth) but basically if the Bible is accurate, then the quran is not, as it relies on the scriptures being corrupted so read my previous post as I gave some evidence as to why it has not been corrupted
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II'm just saying that there are actual medical ways to pull off exactly the things that happened.
I find this very difficult to believe based on the section I recomended that you read
If questioning the facts of a story is enough to damn me to hell, then god is not nearly as loving and caring as people want to portray him to be. Based on the bible, we were put on this earth to learn, and to gain a physical body.. well, you don't learn anything if you don't question.Questioning facts doesn't damn you to hell the debate we're having is perfectly healthy, and is, in fact, good. What does earn one a ticket to hell is doing that which God would not have us do (AKA sin). In fact, anything outside God's character (outside the realm of perfection) is sin. One thing I want to clarify is the people who say God loves everyone. First, you have to recognize that God knows everything. Even before He created time and everything he knew who would be saved and who wouldn't be. In this sense, we are predestined on way or the other. Therefore God has already chosen who will go where after death. But what kind of God would choose for people to occupy hell? One you have to recognize what our sins mean. The purpose for which we were created was to glorify God and enjoy him forever (I'll continue this and address your point later). We, however, fail miserably at this even those who believe and worship him(imperfectly). So, therefore, a perfect God would have every right to wipe a defective creation off the map. Based on the Bible we see many attributes of God. One being that he is perfectly just and one being that he is perfectly merciful. Don't these two contradict? In order to exercise both, we must conclude there must be a hell, but there must also be a heaven. So in this point I agree with you while he is perfectly and infinitely loving you have to realize he is also perfectly and infinitely just. And your second point, we were placed on this earth for the glory of God ( I could talk about this point all day if you're REALLY interested you could read Johnathan Edwards's "The End for Which God Created the World") and learning and questioning is a means by which we can glorify him (using the minds he gave us to think as he does, which is to say, perfectly, which we can't achieve but we strive for because it is within God's character to think perfectly). So it is of the UTMOST importance to learn, therfore of the UTMOST importance to question this and I'm sorry if I came off as opposed to the idea.
I would also like to think that whatever higher power is out there would have a sense of humor. I mean, if he doesn't strike people down for writing really long stories explaining that Adam and Eve were stoned and had the munchies when they ate the forbidden apples... I think I'm relatively safe with a harmless zombie comment.I agree with you that he has a sense of humor, I was simply stating that in your situation I wouldn't joke because what you believe effects whether you go to Heaven or Hell, and based on Pascal's wager which I paraphrased previously, it is to one's own benefit to believe in Heaven and Hell. No, God won't strike you down for making a joke, but you're situation is serious and the implications are bad, that's why I said I wouldn't joke about it. It's like mocking the jury during a trial and sin in the face of a perfect God is worse. When they decide your fate, it's not a good idea to mock them. Same idea
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lol I know I felt the same way
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YES!!
I'm gonna guess Mae
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i also believe that if the bible WAS ever true, it ISN'T now. i think it is already heavily edited to suit the religions of today.
read my previous post
The thing with the ressurection, is that they say he rose from the dead after 3 days right? Even back then there were drugs that could slow and weaken the heart rate and breathing to levels that are difficult to detect even now with out fancy machines, in addition to causing a comatose state. Which would mimic death well enough to fool even the most sophisticated doctor back in those days.Like I said read case for Christ here's a link to the book online http://www.thejesusjoint.net/books/leestrobel/caseforchrist.pdf lol really bad website name but anyway page 177 starting with the torture before the cross to page 185. It gives extensive medical evidence yes it is a few pages but considering what you're already gambling on this decision it's worth it
Burial shrouds were never designed to keep anything in.. I think they are supposed to keep bugs from eating the body. But they wouldn't stop someone from working themself loose if they were wrapped while still alive. As for the tomb, there's no way to be sure if it even existed, but if it did, you also can't be sure if it was entirely sealed before he got up and walked out of it.and this was no burial shroud these were linens that you would wrap around someone's body tightly which they did to preserve it (this is based on historical evidence from the time period and how the rich were typically buried as Joseph of Arimathea was rich). Also, the pharisees were angry at Jesus and they wanted to make sure that the body was NOT stolen which is why they posted two trained gaurds there he couldn't have just walked out.
Nor would any help have done him any good. Who would have helped him anyway? The disciples were all convinced he was a fake. Who would have risked their life (fought 2 armed guards) to save a dead man? Even going along with these very unlikely claims (the most exceptional situations) it seems that belligerant attitude is directed towards christians on these things when athiests completely rely on the skeptical and exceptional situations (monkey at a typewriter) and somehow we lack evidence? It is more likely to assume that if a tornado goes through a junkyard and forms a jumbo jet (this is statistiaclly accurate) Curious to hear your guys' thoughts
There is also the chance that he had help.. I mean, if he hadn't, they would have probably left him hanging there for at least another day, which would have killed him for sure, and based on the premise that he had help setting up his "ressurection" that help could easily have dug him out of the half finished tomb, and sealed it up again.Again he didn't have "help" setting it up. Judas betrayed him. Jesus predicted it, but Jesus wasn't winking at him or something during the last supper saying someone's gonna betray me to night Judas hung himself as a result of his actions this wasn't something he would do to someone he loved enough to hang himself over it And I don't know where you're coming up with this half finished tomb it is plain that you don't have evidence to support it's just a proposal, and if Jesus were walking around the people would have said he didn't die and we didn't finish the tomb so he never rose again, no I haven't heard any evidence to support this half finished tomb, so I believe that is enough to refute it
Also, not trying to offend people.. but if he really DID die, and was ressurected... then that means.. OMG JESUS ZOMBIE!
Also, you are betting your soul on this if you're wrong your in a lot of trouble like nothing you've ever imagined not to be a killjoy I like a good joke as much as the next guy (and probably make more jokes than is healthy) but this is like the most serious thing on earth because if you're wrong then you lose everything if you're right you gain nothing, If I'm wrong I lose nothing but if I'm right I gain everything. (Pascals wager). Just something for you to consider
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The topic of this post is giving evidence for the existence of God. Specifically, I will cover the validity of the Bible and evidence for the resurrection. As I go on to say, this is significant because, "If the resurrection was false all of christianity was a lie. If it is true than that provides very strong evidence that it is true" As illustrated here, if you have a dead man walking around this implies that there is a force at work that can overcome death. This is a preposterous idea, in the views of science, but based on the precision and witnesses (I will go on to explain) it is undeniable that this CLAIM was true (that is, people claimed that Jesus rose from the dead). Was this claim true though? I will break down 12 explanations that attempt to refute the idea.
First, we look at the source of our information of God, which is the Bible and its validity. Evidence for the Bible is its historical accuracy. The New Testament can be verified because we found over 5000 copies with the books being written only 50 years previously. We can also reconstruct the entire new testament from quotes in letters the early church fathers sent to each other. Also, half the old testament can be verified because of the Dead Sea scrolls (scrolls found in pots the most ancient copies of many books of the old testament we have). Each book matched up with these ancient copies almost exactly with only minor word differences. Also looking at the historical accuracy of the first half of the Old testament can be verified by Israel's history and its culture. Scribes recording these books were perfectionists that considered when two letters of a word touch an error and if there was an error they would erase the entire panel(3 or 4 columns of text) as well as the previous panel because it had touched the panel with the error. Based on this evidence, I presume that the Bible has not been tampered with but what of its accuracy? Well, let's look to the event that defines christianity, the resurrection. If the resurrection was false all of christianity was a lie. If it is true than that provides very strong evidence that it is true. Several theories designed do discredit the validity of the resurrection are that the disciples stole the body and hid/ burned it. This is unlikely seeing how it was guarded by two trained roman guards who could easily fend off a few untrained men. Even assuming that they could get past the guards the tomb was sealed off by a boulder that probably weighed several tons they wouldn't have been able to move it. Even assuming they were able to beat the guards, move the stone, and get away unseen why would each and every one of them die for a lie? Another theory is that those who checked for the body went to the wrong tomb. Jesus was a celebrity they would have known where he was buried there were guards and it was sealed they would have known which tomb it was. If it was the wrong tomb they could have just dug Jesus out then and produced a body. Another theory is that he was buried in a graveyard and eaten by dogs. If this were so someone would have pointed out that he was in one of the common graveyards where they piled normal crucifixion victims and disproved that he rose from the dead (he wasn't in the tomb they checked).
Yet another theory is that the disciples were all hallucinating. Which is impossible there has never been a record of more than one person having the same hallucination at once much less 12 people. Next is the swoon theory, which, if you read Case for Christ there are EXTENSIVE medical reasons breaking down what is described in scripture and these were trained Roman soldiers they knew when people were dead even if he did escape he was wrapped in linens (you could not get out of these given the why burial linens were wrapped) on death's door sealed in a tomb by a (probably) several ton boulder which was guarded by trained soldiers. He couldn't escape. Some say the whole thing was a legend. This would take multiple generations to form and people could have testified against Paul who taught this 20 years after Jesus's death. Again t hey could have procured a body and disproved the whole thing and if Jesus never existed (which he did as described by several neutral historians of that day) they could have disproved Paul and no one would have believed him. Lastly, some say grave robbers stole the body. In this case the tomb was protected sealed and why would they do it, there was just Jesus in there.
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I don't care... that's it... I do not care whether there is a god, gods, devil, devils, demons, angels, or any form of any of that... I will live however I feel like living at the moment. I enjoy every day without believing in some story. I am my own god, I am my own devil, I am my own being, and fuck those who think I am not mine. If I want to kill for fun I will.
I just want to clarify something and commend you! You are a consistent Athiest! You recognize that if there is no god then there are no absolutes, therefore no basis for any sort of ethic or moral. However when you go on to judge the Christian ethic on the same standard...
It is far more effective if you just simply believe. To believe without doubt, to have true faith, is far more compelling. If you believe in your god, then don't try to prove he exists, because all that does is make me think you are trying to prove it to yourself. If you believe in him/her/it, just believe. Why bother trying tell others they are wrong? Is it because your god doesn't give you the happiness you say it does? Are you trying to fill a void in your life, a void created by religion? Trying to fill it by proving others wrong, and making other people's lives seem less important then yours? That's what it makes me think you are trying to do, and I am sure that many other people suddenly get that, or a similar, notion.The Christian ethic, in this regard, is best illustrated by the athiest comedian Penn Gillete. You can watch his video here
As a summary, if you don't want to watch it, what Penn basically concludes is that, "How much do you have to hate someone to believe that everlasting life is possible and not tell them. If I believed that a truck was coming at you there would be a certain point when I would tackle you and this is more important than that." Even coming from your perspective of doing whatever you feel like (which I agree applies to Christians as well, we do whatever we like we just call what we do that is outside of God's character sin, either way you do whatever you like however if you are a Christian God's work will be evident in your actions) if all that matters is your own personal pleasure than if there is an eternity, then it is in your personal interest to care as well to secure the outcome.
Because you know something religious people and non-religious people and all those in-between, those who are not defined by either... you are all totally right, everything you all say, is all completely true.
I believe, in this case, you are being facetious (correct me if I'm wrong) because you would rather not discuss it because you believe the Christian ethic, in regard to evangelism, is wrong. Therefore, you are saying you won't accept any evidence. But I would argue, as would most reasonable people, that evidence matters and I will give some in the proceeding post. I hope you read and consider the evidence.
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Finally, how do I think we got here?
Well that is hard for me to answer, but I believe it was just a series of unlikely events with just the right circumstances that caused us to come into existence, I do not believe in any real theory behind it but I believe it was just pure luck that we have come into existence. I really can not explain this.
"Sir Fred Hoyle a mathematician and astronomer calculated that the probability of one simple enzyme forming by chance is 10 to the power of 20 (one with twenty zeros behind it), to 1. Hence for one cell to form, about 2000 enzymes are needed, which makes the probability of the first self replicating cell forming by random movement of atoms as 10 to the power of 40000 to 1. One bitter critic of Hoyle begrudgingly says that that this figure is 'probably not overly exaggerated'.
It has been said that this is as likely as a cyclone going through a junkyard and producing a fully functional jumbo jet.
People do say that if you allow enough time, anything can happen. However, at best we have about 4.6 billion years to work with. If Sir Fred Hoyle's calculated probability was for a cell to form in say the next second then the probability of a cell forming in 4.6 billion years is still about 10 to the power of 39982 to 1. If it was for a microsecond, the probability would be 10 to the power of 39976 to 1. If it was for a picosecond, the probability would be 10 to the power of 39970 to 1."
Yeah I don't have enough faith to believe in that =(
however you are entitled to believe it if you want I am simply trying to show some evidence (in this case) that will make you contemplate and think over what you are believing in
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This issue is important because the origins can determine if the christian perspective is right and if it is then people who don't believe are in trouble and what they'll be facing is a very serious thing. I will not try to force my beliefs on to you, but I would like to provide evidence for my viewpoints.
as for the alien theory that just begs the question where did that life come from and if there is always life creating more life you just get an infinite regression and that's just bad logic to bank on
As for the Bible being not fact and "you can't prove it" statement the fact is (hehe pun) that you can't prove anything. There is extensive evidence to suggest that many things in this life are true such as gravity. I believe that gravity exists, no I am not stupid enough to deny its existance since every moment my feet are on the ground I have evidence of a force pushing me down. I believe such is the case with God. I believe that there is some evidence simply in the complexity in which the world we live and how absolutely massive the universe is. In the Christian religion this is called general revelation as the creation (in this context I'll say more in defense) speaks of its creator. Next you can look at the source of our information of God, which is the Bible and its validity. Evidence for the Bible is its historical accuracy. The New Testament can be verified because we found over 5000 copies with the books being written only 50 years previously. We can also reconstruct the entire new testament from quotes in letters the early church fathers sent to each other. Also, half the old testament can be verified because of the Dead Sea scrolls (scrolls found in pots the most ancient copies of many books of the old testament we have). Each book matched up with these ancient copies almost exactly with only minor word differences. Also looking at the historical accuracy of the first half of the Old testament can be verified by Israel's history and its culture. Scribes recording these books were perfectionists that considered when two letters of a word touch an error and if there was an error they would erase the entire panel(3 or 4 columns of text) as well as the previous panel because it had touched the panel with the error. Based on this evidence, I presume that the Bible has not been tampered with but what of its accuracy? Well, let's look to the event that defines christianity, the resurrection. If the resurrection was false all of christianity was a lie. If it is true than that provides very strong evidence that it is true. Several theories designed do discredit the validity of the resurrection are that the disciples stole the body and hid/ burned it. This is unlikely seeing how it was gaurded by two trained roman gaurds who could easily fend off a few untrained men. Even assuming that they could get past the gaurds the tomb was sealed off by a boulder that probably weighed several tons they wouldn't have been able to move it. Even assuming they were able to beat the gaurds, move the stone, and get away unseen why would each and every one of them die for a lie? Another theory is that those who checked for the body went to the wrong tomb. Jesus was a celebrity they would have known where he was buried there were gaurds and it was sealed they would have known which tomb it was. If it was the wrong tomb they could have just dug Jesus out then and produced a body. Another theory is that he was buried in a graveyard and eaten by dogs. If this were so someone would have pointed out that he was in one of the common graveyards where they piled normal crucifixion victims and disproved that he rose from the dead (he wasn't in the tomb they checked).
Yet another theory is that the disciples were all hallucinating. Which is impossible there has never been a record of more than one person having the same hallucination at once much less 12 people. Next is the swoon theory, which, if you read Case for Christ there are EXTENSIVE medical reasons breaking down what is described in scripture and these were trained Roman soldiers they knew when people were dead even if he did escape he was wrapped in linens (you could not get out of these given the why burial linens were wrapped) on death's door sealed in a tomb by a (probably) several ton boulder which was gaurded by trained soldiers. He couldn't escape. Some say the whole thing was a legend. This would take multiple generations to form and people could have testified against Paul who taught this 20 years after Jesus's death. Again t hey could have procured a body and disproved the whole thing and if Jesus never existed (which he did as described by several nuetral historians of that day) they could have disproved Paul and no one would have believed him. Lastly, some say graverobbers stole the body. In this case the tomb was protected sealed and why would they do it, there was just Jesus in there.
Soooooooooooo there's some evidence what do you guys think?
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All time: Oh, Sleeper: Son of the morning
Right now: Killswitch Engage: This Fire
What's your favorite animal?
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banned for being thankful to the person you banned who banned you for having a great sig when you had banned me when I had banned you for banning someone who banned someone else who counted how many times the other banned person said banned when the person who had his number of bans counted was really only banning the person who banned me who was a sourpus that did not like that the word "banned" was said 5 times in which was included in my post in which i banned someone for banning someone who had to be banned for banning people
--I will continue this banning streak until I have proof that all of you are banned
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^^ you beat me to it >.<
here's one for you guys

*hint* his left eye (the one with the eyepatch) is not real
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banned for banning someone who banned someone else who counted how many times the other banned person said banned when the person who had his number of bans counted was really only banning the person who banned me who was a sourpus that did not like that the word "banned" was said 5 times in which was included in my post in which i banned someone for banning someone who had to be banned for banning people
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has a profile picture of neji who seems to be posing in front of a stainless steel wall full of bullet holes with some random black lines thrown in...? o.O
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9/10 i love the choice of colors and placement of kid but the text seems a little out of place in terms of color... that's only my opion tho... otherwise great sig ^.^
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industrial sheet metal
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banned for banning someone who had to be banned for banning people... don't ban me!
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2,149....
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Just a spoonful of sugar from Mary Poppins--- I haven't seen that movie in like 3 years I don't know how it got in my head
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nope but next is chaos
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I don't know what that means. I've built 8 computers, and am in the process of acquiring A+ and Net+ certifications. I don't know if you consider that notable.
it means carry on conversation or follow your line of thought that sort of thing and yes that's notable since you'll soon probably be working as a tech =P (if ur not already)

What OS do you run?
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yes that's on one computer