i agree i mean if you read manga gai opens 8 gates and kills kisame and kisame could kakashi's ass i think ---------- Post added at 08:47 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:36 PM ---------- pain cracked ibiki, didn't he? so i doubt it. Kakashi lost to Itachi so he is out. Asuma even worse died. Kurenai always lost to itachi and isn't that strong. But guy was never defeated in naruto episodes. But he lost to kakashi in "rock, paper, scissor" but i wont count that. it's not real battle. SOOO Guy is the man!!